From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 10:49:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:48:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <01BD2FDB.3BAA4600@pc165.prog.altair.com> From: Frank Palazzolo To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: SP0250 and SP0256 info Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:05:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Frank Palazzolo Thanks to Mark Magness, who showed up with a GI databook, and a scanner - the following docs are now online on my web site at http://www.2bits.simplenet.com/ SP0250 Data Sheet SP0250 Applications Manual SP0256B Data Sheet SPR016 2Kx8 Serial ROM SPR032 4Kx8 Serial ROM SPR128 8Kx8 Serial ROM I'm happy to report that there are now "no technical issues" with simulating an SP0250 - It's just a matter of time :) And, the SP0256 has documented test modes which should make it much simpler to figure out what's inside that as well. As if this wasn't enough good news, Mark also has datasheets for the Votrax SC-01 and SC-02, which I'll put up as soon as I get them. Thanks, -Frank palazzol@tir.com From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 10:58:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:58:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:58:06 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: SP0250 and SP0256 info Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) Would it be ok to mirror this stuff on spies? From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 11:00:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:00:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: Shipping update: Sega Multigame Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:59:44 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill Hi all, I probably won't be shipping any Sega Multigames this week. Tara (my wife) is the only one at work that knows how to run the FedEx and DHL shipping systems and she's out of town for a week for a funeral... Soooo, I'm just going to keep building them up and probably blast a whole bunch out around the 9th. I've got boards "in-process" for all the checks I have right now, so if you're waiting to send payment, now is a good time to do it. Oh, yeah, in the "justice served" department. This batch of boards will be built using EPROMs pulled from a "Mortal Kombat II" boardset. *GRIN* Revenge of the Classics. :-) I should have some little certificates made to include with the kit... "This Classic Game Upgrade was made with at least 25% Post-Consumer beat-em-up game content." -Clay Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 11:07:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:07:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:54:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dwight Anderson X-Sender: mayday19@u2.farm.idt.net To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: forward air In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Dwight Anderson > > I ended up using Land Air Express. When they gave me a quote, he asked me > what forward air was going to charge and he just picked $20/100 lbs. When I > took my game in, they provided the palette and the plastic wrap, I brought > along a bunch of cardboard and we wrapped it all up. He asked me if I was > given a quote and I told him what it was, so it ended up costing me $100 to > ship a 488 lbs. star wars cockpit from Denver to Texas. > > They have ports in TX (lots of them), IL, MO, CO, MI, TN, OK, NE, UT, KY, > KS and Toronto. They told me I would need to get an account if I wanted to > ship any more games. > Their main location is in KY, and their number is (502) 781-0655. It is depot-specific. The Atlanta FA depot used to let you just drop off games, and they would pallet and strap them for you. now you have to do it all yourself. The depot up where I live in MN does not have the facilities to strap and pallet games so you must do it yourself. but Lan Air is the SAME COMPANY as FA. Forward Air does not air freight the games around, they put them in Land Air Trucks and truck them to their destination (at least that is what they told me they do) Jeff > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 11:28:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:28:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Chris Cope Message-Id: <199802021702.KAA28444@flatland.dimensional.com> Subject: Re: Fw: No more foward air? In-Reply-To: <34D2CF23.46D7@links.magenta.com> from Jess Askey at "Jan 31, 98 00:13:39 am" To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:02:30 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Chris Cope > Well the Denver depot seems to be different for some reason. The > corporate HQ said they were more than happy to ship vids and that > applied to all the depots. But time and time again, the manager at > the denver depot (Tony) refuses to ship them!!?? Even vector games :-0 > jess It sounds like someone ought to talk to corporate HQ about Tony. Maybe a little corporate "encouragement" will get him in line. Chris Cope From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 13:48:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:47:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <017201bd3023$fb3fe860$e8451ed1@flash.net> From: "Callan Hendricks" To: Subject: G08 - Proprietary Chips. Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:46:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Callan Hendricks" Hey all, It seems someone convienently stole an IC off one of my spare G08 High Voltage Cages. Does anyone know what IC600 ( on main deflection board ), and IC900 (on high voltage cage) are? Thanks! Callan. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 14:04:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:04:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:04:27 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: G08 - Proprietary Chips. Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) "Does anyone know what IC600 ( on main deflection board ), and IC900 (on high voltage cage) are?" They are custom parts made for Sega. ..yet another reason to redo the deflection and HV boards.. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 14:55:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:55:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:55:06 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: WG6102 schematic Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) A friend of mine with a D sized scanner scanned a few things for me today, including a WG schematic which has the P327 version of the deflection board (which has the input protection circuit on it) The drawing is on the schematics page on spies From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 15:08:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:08:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: Display Corrector update... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:07:11 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill Greetings everyone. In between building Sega Multigame boards (damn that gets dull after a couple hours) I worked on the display corrector board. For those of you that want to skip my "usual" technical babble-- the short version of the story is this: got it working with Star Wars now and the results look REALLY NICE! Long technical-babble version (with some Star Wars troubleshooting thrown in): For some reason the display corrector as implemented for Major Havoc didn't work worth a damn with Star Wars. After some poking and prodding I came to the conclusion that the voltages present at the output of the current->voltage convertor in the AVG on Star Wars are much smaller than those on Major Havoc (or Space Duel, or anything else for that matter). This was/is particularly mystifying since the component loads and schematics are IDENTICAL. I'm writing this one off to programming differences. It's as if Star Wars was written with the "scale" intentionally turned down to give some dynamic range for the death star explosion at the end of something. Weird. Once I figured that out, I set about making changes to the display corrector to "fix" the problem. I started by simply figuring that if I just boosted the XREF and YREF voltages going to the DACs that the rest would work. So, I put a 4.7K resistor in parallel with each 7.5K 1% resistor off the collector of the 2n3906 in the linear scaling circuit. This made the image larger, and everything seemed fine, except... That broke scaling. This was odd, since the only time it was noticeable was when "flying down to" the deathstar and the "star wars" scroller in the demo mode. Everything else was fine. I also managed to toast the 2N3906 in the VREF circuit (put the 4.7K resistor across the resistor controlling base current to the 2n3906 by accident. Oops.). This results in a vector display that looks as though all the objects are "blown apart" slightly and listing down and right. My board that had the "Z intensity problem" (aka, all color guns were stuck "ON") ended up having two problems-- a) a cheap socket for the DAC had an internally open pin which was preventing good Z-intensity infomation, and b) a TINY short around the intensity DAC's TL082 was lifting the output rail high. Anyway, all those aside, I came up with a good "corrector" circuit with a variable "bow" control. I ended up removing the XBIP control inside the display corrector. It only functions in conjunction with the VDR (which is probably impossible to buy now-a-days anyway) and as near as I can tell the VDR makes NO visible changes to the display. I remember someone thinking it helped control "blooming" near the screen edges? In the "neat" category-- if you omit (or bypass) the 100ohm series resistor in the X-axis output of the AVG you get a really wild "ringing" effect on the output. The neat part is that all "regular brightness" objects are drawn w/out problems on the screen, but bright objects (x-wing fire, TIE fireballs, etc) get a "wavy" appearance-- like applying a varying frequency sine-wave to each individual vector. Looks kinda cool, actually... The display corrector looks great with Star Wars. I'll try it with Major Havoc tonight. It has a disable switch to turn it off if using an already "corrected" game. Right now it *really* looks like the right way to do it is to take the 'inputs' right off the digital switches (those two little jumper wires coming off the AVG on Major Havoc and going to the card-edge connector? You got it... That's what those are for.). I'll try it with the "monitor level" signals attenuated down, but I think there might be some video quality compromises there. (Or Atari probably would have done it instead of hand-modifying the Major Havocs...) -Clay Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 15:34:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:33:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison@cig.mot.com ) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:32:53 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9802021732.ZM3793@calcite> In-Reply-To: aek@motgate.mot.com (Al Kossow) "WG6102 schematic" (Feb 2, 2:55pm) References: <199802022305.SAA20926@po_box.cig.mot.com> X-face: "@9[FFAftX<9}2=gaPlIyRv_K%h[>.@"8t}B2So!iv.\#M9NplA9bDudBQ|]E`WL9Kd,Tn2v.0OGcE<$yg{&}(m:mB\GO9L+yE}6=d17BM X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Sega XY boards part III Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Mark Jenison "Oh, which box should I pick next?? Let's see..." [Hmm...This one is filled with XY boards (controllers and timing boards)...I certainly don't need 70 sets of these...I doubt if they all work, and since I only have about 10 ribbon cables, I'd better just limit to 10...] Sega XY pairs tested working: $30 + S&H. I probably can only make 10 working sets due to ribbon cable constraints. I don't want to test past the number of cables I have, because then it goes like this: "Pull cables off, test another set, pull cables off, damn I bent a pin. Oops, it broke off...down to 9 cables...". Been there, done that. The last batch of boards went out this week. Gregg and Steve's are still pending because of mistakes I made, but they will go out in next weeks batch. Also, if anyone can let me know what Sega XY board they'd like to see for next weeks sale, let me know so I can see what priority I should put on working on these... ________________ ______ ___ _____ __ / __/ / / / |/ / / |/ //|/|/|_______________ Mark Jenison / __/ /_/ / / / | // | / |__ __/ _ /__ \ jenison@cig.mot.com /___/___/_/_//_/_/_/|_//__|/__| / / / // / / Sega XY FAQ author /_/|_| /_/ /____/_/|_| ________________ The One and Only 4-player vector game From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 15:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:37:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Display Corrector update... Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:38:34 GMT Message-ID: <34d757cc.15330457@tommy.doctord.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:07:11 -0800, Clay Cowgill = wrote: > It only functions in conjunction with the VDR >(which is probably impossible to buy now-a-days anyway) and as near as I >can tell the VDR makes NO visible changes to the display. I remember >someone thinking it helped control "blooming" near the screen edges?=20 They correct for linearity. Images are drawn bigger near the edge of a = screen. They do a nice job on the Tempest setup screen, where you can setup a = bunch of squares and adjust for any non-linearities the size of the squares. When I start my attack on the Cinematronics color card I'll check out how= they did this without using VDRs (they also had problems finding those = things). They most likely used the non-linearity of a diode or transistor junction to = adjust for the blooming. -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn @ zonn . com -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 16:44:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:44:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Display Corrector update... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:43:19 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > They correct for linearity. Images are drawn bigger near the edge of > a screen. > They do a nice job on the Tempest setup screen, where you can setup a > bunch of > squares and adjust for any non-linearities the size of the squares. > Hmmmm. Well, I'll play with it more tonight. On a WG monitor none of my (unmodified) Star Wars boardsets produce what I'd consider a "linear" crosshatch pattern even with VDR's and x-lin pot adjustments. It's tough to make an A/B comparison though since removing the VDR mid-test results in a the image changing width and offset. Maybe I should make one of these (without VDR and x-lin adjustment) and send it to an impartial 3rd party to review the image quality? (Suggestions?) (It could just be that the removal of the "bow" effect makes such a difference that I don't notice any new linearity problems that are introduced... and 4 or 5 hours of "stare at screen, tweak circuit, stare at screen, repeat" probably numbs my objectivity. :-) > When I start my attack on the Cinematronics color card I'll check out > how they > did this without using VDRs (they also had problems finding those > things). They > most likely used the non-linearity of a diode or transistor junction > to adjust > for the blooming. > I'd be interested to hear the results of any findings you may have. Thanks Zonn. -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 16:52:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:52:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:52:00 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: RE: Display Corrector update... Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) "> They correct for linearity. Images are drawn bigger near the edge of > a screen. " This seems to be exactly backwards from the curve trace that I took of the device last summer. As you increase the voltage, the current increases (roughly) x^2 (from memory). Since the part is between the deflection out and ground, I would assume that it would DECREASE the voltage output exponentially with voltage. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 17:11:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:11:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Display Corrector update... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:10:16 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > This seems to be exactly backwards from the curve trace that I took > of the device last summer. As you increase the voltage, the current > increases (roughly) x^2 (from memory). Since the part is between the > deflection out and ground, I would assume that it would DECREASE the > voltage output exponentially with voltage. > That'd be right, wouldn't it? If you're deflecting too much near the edges, you want to decrease the voltage output to bring it back into linearity. (Or am I bass-ackwards?) -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 2 17:24:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:23:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Display Corrector update... Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 01:25:02 GMT Message-ID: <34dd711f.21815000@tommy.doctord.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:52:00 -0800 (PST), aek (Al Kossow) wrote: >"> They correct for linearity. Images are drawn bigger near the edge of >> a screen. >" > >This seems to be exactly backwards from the curve trace that I took >of the device last summer. As you increase the voltage, the current >increases (roughly) x^2 (from memory). Since the part is between the >deflection out and ground, I would assume that it would DECREASE the >voltage output exponentially with voltage. Yes, you are correct! You just read my email wrong (it's one of those = confusing sentences they warned you about in english class). Images are drawn bigger near the edge of the screen when the VDR is *not* installed. The VDRs are there to decrease the voltages as they near the = edges of the screen to compensate for the built in blooming effect. Sorry about my lan gauge (at times I feel like english is my second = language even though I speak no other languages!) -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn @ zonn . com -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 07:38:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:36:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980203093538.006d5468@netins.net> X-Sender: omar@netins.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:35:38 -0600 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: omar@netins.net Subject: Re: Sega XY boards part III In-Reply-To: <9802021732.ZM3793@calcite> References: <199802022305.SAA20926@po_box.cig.mot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: omar@netins.net At 05:32 PM 2/2/98 -0600, you wrote: >Sega XY pairs tested working: $30 + S&H. Count me in for a set. Thanks, Mike From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 10:53:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:53:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: display corrector, VDR, etc... Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:52:59 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill Hi Guys, I grabbed engineering's digital camera last night an took some pictures for the display corrector. (As an aside, I think the digital camera manufacturers are in cohoots with the battery manufacturers. Damn those things suck the AA's fast!) I snapped some pictures-- spent god-knows how long cleaning them up and re-sizing in Photoshop and put together a web-page with the findings. Look and see what you think. The x-linearity clamping with the VDR is noticeable with "before and after" photos. I doubt you'd be able to see it unless some game puts up a diagonal cross-hatch though. Anyway, check it out-- http://www.e-volve.net/~clay/display.html I also took a bunch of pictures of my games and more "mystery photo" fodder, so I'll start that again sometime soon. ;-) -Clay Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 15:00:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:58:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <002601bd30f7$21b669a0$cbf4accf@station-1> From: "Eddie Pettit" To: Subject: Battlezone Help Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:57:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Eddie Pettit" I have a problem with my Battlezone I'm hoping someone on the list can help me with. I don't know a whole lot...so in replying act like your replying to an idiot.... OK, I turned on my BZ yesterday and before it had completely warmed up I pressed the start button. I don't know if this caused the problem...but I had been trying to give the machine a chance before hitting the button. Apparently, I wasn't paying attention and hit the button before the machine was completely up (screen) anyway. When the screen comes up it's fine for the high scores but the game demo is messed up and game play is messed up. Messed up in this case means....you can see the background mountains, moon and volcano, but the foreground features blocks, tanks, triangles and missles don't show and only random lines show. When a shot is fired...you also just see random lines. The background is visible the whole time. BTW the display at the top is very intermittent and mostly off..... Any help anyone can provide will be greatly appreciated.....I do not have a manual or schematics....if anyone has it on paper or the web, I'd be interested. Thanks in advance. --------- Looking for Side Art & 3D Goggles for Taito's Continental Circuit Sit Down Arcade Game Eddie Pettit Richmond VA Visit my homepage: http://www.erols.com/epettit/ Motorcycles - Arcade Games Visit my Company website: http://www.pettitcompany.com/ Public Records Filing & Research - Website Hosting & Design From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 15:23:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:22:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Battlezone Help Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:21:36 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > OK, I turned on my BZ yesterday and before it had completely warmed up > I > pressed the start button. I don't know if this caused the > problem...but I > had been trying to give the machine a chance before hitting the > button. > Apparently, I wasn't paying attention and hit the button before the > machine > was completely up (screen) anyway. [...] Ahhh, sounds like the dreaded "mathbox cold solder joints" problem to me. The Battlezone main board and "mathbox" board are joined by a kind-of primative ribbon cable. Remove the boards and resolder all the pins on the boards that the cable connects to. Should fix the problem, if it doesn't you might need to go through and remove/replace the socketed chips on the mathbox board. Flip the "test mode" switch on the inside of the coin door (top, but the hinge) and see what that says. I'll be you'll see an "M" (or is it an "L" or "H"?) to the right of center of the screen-- this says the mathbox is having problems... -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 15:39:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:38:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:37:53 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Battlezone Help In-Reply-To: <002601bd30f7$21b669a0$cbf4accf@station-1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Eddie Pettit wrote: > I have a problem with my Battlezone I'm hoping someone on the list can help > me with. I don't know a whole lot...so in replying act like your replying > to an idiot.... Have you tried running the self-test? If you have, what did/didn't it say? If you don't know how to run the self-test, there is a little switch on the inside of the coin door that you flip to put the game in self-test mode. Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 15:44:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:43:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison@cig.mot.com ) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:42:38 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9802031742.ZM24500@calcite> In-Reply-To: "Eddie Pettit" "Battlezone Help" (Feb 3, 5:57pm) References: <199802032306.SAA23575@po_box.cig.mot.com> X-face: "@9[FFAftX<9}2=gaPlIyRv_K%h[>.@"8t}B2So!iv.\#M9NplA9bDudBQ|]E`WL9Kd,Tn2v.0OGcE<$yg{&}(m:mB\GO9L+yE}6=d17BM X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Sega XY boards part III Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Mark Jenison All, I guess I'm suprized at the LOW amount of requests for XY boards. Looks like I'll have plenty left over. It seems that people would like to see some Eliminator sound boards for sale next, which can be turned into Zektor sound boards, provided some obsolete device hunters can find a source of AY-9-8912 (I think that's the sound chip number). Al? Clay? :-) I have a LIMITED supply of these, and I'd like to see how many people are interested in obtaining one of these boards, so I'm taking "I'd be interested" e-mails (no orders or guarantees, just a show of hands at this point). It's likely I'll have to limit one per person. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison@cig.mot.com Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 17:27:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:27:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: Mystery Photo... Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:26:14 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill Hey guys, Not specifically related to vectorlist, but I know some of you liked these things in the past. I took a bunch of shots with a digital camera so I'm temporarily set for Mystery Photo fodder. I did something a little different for this one. Give it a shot if you like... http://www.e-volve.net/~clay/mystery.html -Clay Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 18:20:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:19:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:18:49 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Henciak X-Sender: ethst3@unixs4.cis.pitt.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Sega XY boards part III In-Reply-To: <9802031742.ZM24500@calcite> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Ed Henciak HEya Mark, You know....count me in :)....the obsolete chip's gonna be fun to find, but, still, count me in. BTW the check you will get for the Space Fury board is from my roomate (Brenda Staudt), so please don't think I'm shafting you.....thanks!!! Ed On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Mark Jenison wrote: > All, > > I guess I'm suprized at the LOW amount of requests for XY boards. Looks like > I'll have plenty left over. > > It seems that people would like to see some Eliminator sound boards for sale > next, which can be turned into Zektor sound boards, provided some obsolete > device hunters can find a source of AY-9-8912 (I think that's the sound chip > number). Al? Clay? :-) > > I have a LIMITED supply of these, and I'd like to see how many people are > interested in obtaining one of these boards, so I'm taking "I'd be interested" > e-mails (no orders or guarantees, just a show of hands at this point). It's > likely I'll have to limit one per person. Thanks! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison@cig.mot.com > Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 19:32:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:32:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:31:12 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Sega XY boards part III In-Reply-To: <9802031742.ZM24500@calcite> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Mark Jenison wrote: > It seems that people would like to see some Eliminator sound boards for sale > next, which can be turned into Zektor sound boards, provided some obsolete > device hunters can find a source of AY-9-8912 (I think that's the sound chip > number). Al? Clay? :-) Isn't in an AY-3-8912, or is this something totally different? Didn't someone turn up a stash of thse (and post about it here) a couple of months back (again, this is assuming that they're AY-3-8912s) Also, an AY-3-8912 is a lobotomized version of the AY-3-8910, so it probably wouldn't be too hard to get one of those (AY-3-8912) to work. Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 19:47:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:47:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <004001bd311f$7d489d60$643eaccf@station-1> From: "Eddie Pettit" To: Subject: Re: Battlezone Help (game fixed) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:46:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Eddie Pettit" >Flip the "test mode" switch on the inside of the coin door (top, but the >hinge) and see what that says. I'll be you'll see an "M" (or is it an >"L" or "H"?) to the right of center of the screen-- this says the >mathbox is having problems... It has an L. >Ahhh, sounds like the dreaded "mathbox cold solder joints" problem to >me. The Battlezone main board and "mathbox" board are joined by a >kind-of primative ribbon cable. Remove the boards and resolder all the >pins on the boards that the cable connects to. Should fix the problem, >if it doesn't you might need to go through and remove/replace the >socketed chips on the mathbox board. OK...it's fixed....I removed the cable connecting the 2 boards and made sure all of the wires were still connected. And then reseated the connectors and 'viola' it works! Thanks for all the responses...my game is now working again! BTW, does anyone know where I can get a manual and schematics? Are there any posted on the web? --------- Looking for Side Art & 3D Goggles for Taito's Continental Circuit Sit Down Arcade Game Eddie Pettit Richmond VA Visit my homepage: http://www.erols.com/epettit/ Motorcycles - Arcade Games Visit my Company website: http://www.pettitcompany.com/ Public Records Filing & Research - Website Hosting & Design From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 20:16:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:15:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34D7EB99.AF15CF70@tir.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:16:26 -0500 From: Scott Goings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Eddie Pettit Subject: Re: Battlezone Help (game fixed) References: <004001bd311f$7d489d60$643eaccf@station-1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Scott Goings For the manual go to: http://www.gamearchive.com/video/manufacturer/atari/vector/html/battlezone.html Scott Eddie Pettit wrote: > >Flip the "test mode" switch on the inside of the coin door (top, but the > >hinge) and see what that says. I'll be you'll see an "M" (or is it an > >"L" or "H"?) to the right of center of the screen-- this says the > >mathbox is having problems... > > It has an L. > > >Ahhh, sounds like the dreaded "mathbox cold solder joints" problem to > >me. The Battlezone main board and "mathbox" board are joined by a > >kind-of primative ribbon cable. Remove the boards and resolder all the > >pins on the boards that the cable connects to. Should fix the problem, > >if it doesn't you might need to go through and remove/replace the > >socketed chips on the mathbox board. > > OK...it's fixed....I removed the cable connecting the 2 boards and made sure > all of the wires were still connected. And then reseated the connectors and > 'viola' it works! > > Thanks for all the responses...my game is now working again! > > BTW, does anyone know where I can get a manual and schematics? Are there > any posted on the web? > > --------- > > Looking for Side Art & 3D Goggles for Taito's Continental Circuit Sit Down > Arcade Game > > Eddie Pettit > Richmond VA > > Visit my homepage: http://www.erols.com/epettit/ > Motorcycles - Arcade Games > > Visit my Company website: http://www.pettitcompany.com/ > Public Records Filing & Research - Website Hosting & Design From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 3 22:33:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:32:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34D80B44.4A1A@istar.ca> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:31:32 -0800 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Sega XY boards part III References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: John Robertson jwelser@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Mark Jenison wrote: > > > It seems that people would like to see some Eliminator sound boards for sale > > next, which can be turned into Zektor sound boards, provided some obsolete > > device hunters can find a source of AY-9-8912 (I think that's the sound chip > > number). Al? Clay? :-) > > Isn't in an AY-3-8912, or is this something totally different? > > Didn't someone turn up a stash of thse (and post about it here) a > couple of months back (again, this is assuming that they're AY-3-8912s) > > Also, an AY-3-8912 is a lobotomized version of the AY-3-8910, so > it probably wouldn't be too hard to get one of those (AY-3-8912) to work. > > Joe Hi, Joe! I have a "small" stash of these AY-3-8910's and 12's. Not for sale, but might trade for a Porsche... ;-) John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr@flippers.com, web page http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 4 05:58:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:57:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:59:37 -0500 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) Subject: Re: Sega XY boards part III Cc: Mark Jenison Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) At 17:42 2/3/98, Mark Jenison wrote: >All, > >I guess I'm suprized at the LOW amount of requests for XY boards. Looks like >I'll have plenty left over. In that case, I'll take 3! :> > >It seems that people would like to see some Eliminator sound boards for sale >next, which can be turned into Zektor sound boards, provided some obsolete >device hunters can find a source of AY-9-8912 (I think that's the sound chip >number). Al? Clay? :-) > >I have a LIMITED supply of these, and I'd like to see how many people are >interested in obtaining one of these boards, so I'm taking "I'd be interested" >e-mails (no orders or guarantees, just a show of hands at this point). It's >likely I'll have to limit one per person. Thanks! I'll take up to 3, please. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 4 06:45:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:45:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <2FD99C4CD318D111BE0300A0C981D39C18E1D0@CTHQ1E01> From: Todd Miller To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: RE: AY-3-8912 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:39:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Todd Miller "Didn't someone turn up a stash of thse (and post about it here) a couple of months back (again, this is assuming that they're AY-3-8912s)" That would have been me....I don't have any extras, only ordered a few for myself & the rest for others in this group. If I remember they were around $7 each at the 50 pieces I ordered. Go to ; http://WWW.IXOYE.COM Download the database, updated 2/3/98, it still lists 600+ pieces. They didn't seem to like to deal with small orders, but maybe someone else would have better luck. BTW: Stayed up late last night to wire up a custom CP & harness using Clay's single player interface, sans the spinner (where did I put that spare tempest spinner?) & installed the Sega Multigame ! Very cool ! job well done Clay. I haven't mounted the switches yet as I still have to paint the CP but what is the layout/ function for the buttons ? Todd Miller, LAN Technician IT Operations Department Ron Weber & Associates 103 E. State Street, Mason City, IA 50401 (515)423-4293/(515)423-4594 FAX www.telethinking.com From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 4 15:36:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:35:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:34:05 -0700 (MST) From: Anders Knudsen X-Sender: andersk@janeway To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: LV2000 orders update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Anders Knudsen As of today, I have received kit orders from the following people, who are guaranteed to get the quantity they ordered: Kurt Mahan Gregg Woodcock David Fish Scott Goings Joel Rosenzweig Steve Ozdemir Guy Dillon Chris Hanks Mit Matelske David Clem Corey Stup John Linville Chris Moore David Humphrey At this rate, it won't be long before they are all gone! PCBs should be back from the fab in less than 2 weeks. -Anders +------------------------------------------+ | Anders Knudsen | ASIC Design Engineer | Adaptec, Inc., Boulder Technology Center +------------------------------------------+ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 4 16:16:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:15:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Sega XY boards part III Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:14:46 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > Also, an AY-3-8912 is a lobotomized version of the AY-3-8910, so > it probably wouldn't be too hard to get one of those (AY-3-8912) to > work. > The "brain" is is the same, so I really wouldn't call it "lobotomized". It's more like it lost an appendage or something. I'll let someone else come up with a metaphor. ;-) The AY-3-8910 should work, it just has another 8 bit parallel port over the 8912. You could make a little 28->40 pin adapter and wire up the right pins and it should be OK. I think Omega Race sound boards use 8912's, might be a possible source given the number of battery corrosion-destroyed O.R. boards around... -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 5 10:31:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:30:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199802051535.HAA03361@smtp3.teleport.com> X-Sender: luna@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 07:34:22 -0800 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: "Chris.Hanks" Subject: ESB kit In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Chris.Hanks" Hi Clay, I'm going to be up in Vancouver this weekend, Fri or Saturday to get a haircut. I'd like to pick up another SW/ESB kit if possible, and save on the shipping. Feasible? Thanks, CH Chris. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 5 10:42:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:42:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: ESB kit Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:41:16 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > I'm going to be up in Vancouver this weekend, Fri > or Saturday to get a haircut. I'd like to pick up another > SW/ESB kit if possible, and save on the shipping. > Feasible? > Should be. I think you'll get the last one! Give me a call before you come by-- Friday is probably shot since I have to pick up Tara and her sister at the airport (and collect lots of "stuff", their Dad died last Saturday so they're bring back all sorts of stuff after settling the estate this last week). Saturday should be pretty open though. -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 5 11:16:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:15:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: ESB kit Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:14:27 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill Whoops, sorry guys, didn't mean to reply to all of the list. Oh well-- that's the full story why Tara's been gone this last week (and why I haven't been shipping anything). For what it's worth, Tara's father had been fighting cancer for about 4 years. His death wasn't unexpected-- Tara got to visit him a couple times while he was still in reasonably good shape and she'd been preparing herself for the inevitable for a long while. She's doing well all things considered (better than I would be, that's for sure). -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 5 11:36:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:36:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199802051935.LAA06974@smtp3.teleport.com> X-Sender: luna@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:41:38 -0800 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: Chris Hanks Subject: RE: ESB kit In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Chris Hanks >Clay wrote: > >Whoops, sorry guys, didn't mean to reply to all of the list. Crap, I didn't realize that I had sent my e-mail to the entire list either. Sorry everybody, must have had a brain fart. While I'm here at it, does anybody have any WG High-Voltage cages that are for sale? Working - preferred, fixable -okay, Dead beyond repair - no thanks. Thanks! CH From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 5 22:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:11:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <00c201bd32c5$db293960$b93eaccf@station-1> From: "Eddie Pettit" To: Subject: Fw: Pretty Quiet... Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:09:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Eddie Pettit" I thought maybe one of you could help this guy....please reply to jgrand@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Joe Grand To: epettit@erols.com ; arcade@syslog.com Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 1:07 AM Subject: Re: Pretty Quiet... > >Ah! That reminds me. :) The audio on my Battlezone is shot. If I stick my >head up to the speaker I can FAINTY hear the sound. I tested the volume pot >and it works (50 ohms, I think). > >Any ideas? I've checked the tech. manual & I think I'm stuck. > >See ya. > >Joe >/******************************************************************** > * Joe Grand jgrand@mindspring.com > * The Grand Design http://www.mindspring.com/~jgrand > * PalmPilot HW/SW Developer Freelance Design Engineer > ********************************************************************/ >. . >| Posted to the Arcade Enthusiasts Mailing List | >| Webpage: http://www.syslog.com/arcade/ Help: arcade-request@syslog.com | > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Sun Feb 8 22:56:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:55:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:54:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Anderson X-Sender: mayday19@u1.farm.idt.net To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Cine games, MH and other stuff.. In-Reply-To: <22b33d5.34cead51@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Jeff Anderson I have been mad at work fixing a bunch of Cine games the past 2 days and I figured I'd like to try out all my other extra boards in the process.. The cabs I hav that work right now are Armor Attack, Solar Quest, and Warrior. I also have a Taigunner which sems to have a few problems, The monitor needs a 7918 (getting it hopefully tomorrow) to work and the PS in it is bad. I suspect the boards do not work all the way though. I have a ripoff (monitor broken) and a Speed Freak (monitor and PS broke, boards unknown) too, but they are in storage right now, although I do have the boardsets for them here so I might as well test them while I am in the mood. I'd like to test the boards from TG, SF, and ripoff in my good cabs so can I just swap them out into the Armor Attack? I ask because tailgunner for instance has an extra connector coming off the monitor going to the sound board. I also have 2 Boxing Bugs boardsets and I guess I can just drop them into the solar quest since it has a 64-intensity level monitor and just bypass the color decoder board? What kind of spinner does this game use? I have spinners from Tac/Scan, Tempest, TRON, and mad planets so will any of those work? Is it similar to the steering wheel sensor in Speed Freak? Another thing I was wondering about is that whenever I turn on the Armor Attack, the CRT heater gets REALLY bright, say 10 times brighter than it should be for just a second, then it works normally. This doesn't seem normal to me, but the heater is directly driven by the PS 6V right? I swapped out PSs and it still happened My Maor Havoc is broke too.. it actually works fine, but the sparkle vector circuit is always on so everything looks like it has "static" in it. the strange thing is sometimes it looks almost normal, and other times it gets so bad you cant see a thing! I was talking to Jess about this, and he told me what chips to check out but I seem to have lost/deleted the e-mail. I have time to fix it now so if anybody has any ideas?... or if you could tell me again which chips to check Jess? I have a couple B/W games I need to get working. I also have a Gran Trak 10 I am trying to get working.. I plugged it in about a year ago and the monitor came up and worked, but the board was bad. I found a couple more boards and it seems like one works, but now the monitor broke. The problem is that the black wire going to the yoke fell off and there is all kinds of hand soldered stuff in this monitor so I have no idea where it goes. it is a motorola monitor and I cant remember the model # now. I will post it tomorrow if nobody knows, bbut if someone out there has docs for this game it is a simple matter to look up.. I also have a deathrace that needs work, the monitor and PS work, but both boards I have are broken. I have no docs on this game and I am afraid to repair the boards (not like I could anyway, but if you have ever seen one you would be afraid too!) There must be at least 175 chips crammed into that thing.. Does anybody wanna work on it? I'll pay a reasonable fee and you can keep the extra board.... .. Or I want to buy working board for it. Thanks in advance! Jeff -- http://idt.net/~mayday19 From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Sun Feb 8 23:07:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:07:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Subject: Re: Cine games, MH and other stuff.. To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:32:32 -0700 (MST) From: "Kurt Mahan" In-Reply-To: from "Jeff Anderson" at Feb 9, 98 01:54:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <34debf200.1e85@bolt.usg.provo.novell.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 955 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Kurt Mahan" > Another thing I was wondering about is that whenever I turn on the Armor > Attack, the CRT heater gets REALLY bright, say 10 times brighter than it > should be for just a second, then it works normally. This doesn't seem > normal to me, but the heater is directly driven by the PS 6V right? I > swapped out PSs and it still happened Gassy tube? Gotta burn off those happy little O2 particles that have been leaking in.. :) (my guess, from past experience..) > I also have a deathrace that needs work, the monitor and PS work, but both > boards I have are broken. I have no docs on this game and I am afraid to > repair the boards (not like I could anyway, but if you have ever seen one > you would be afraid too!) There must > be at least 175 chips crammed into that thing.. Does anybody wanna work on > it? I'll pay a reasonable fee and you can keep the extra board.... > . Or I want to buy working board for it. Hey Al, here's your chance! Kurt From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Sun Feb 8 23:30:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:30:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:30:11 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Cine games, MH and other stuff.. Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) "> it? I'll pay a reasonable fee and you can keep the extra board.... > . Or I want to buy working board for it. Hey Al, here's your chance! " ..just sent him a message :-) From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 9 09:32:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:30:47 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: G05/19V2000 HV diode Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Anyone know what the purpose of that #$$@*& HV diode on the G05/19V2000 is? It seems to go bad in nearly every case, and I'm not sure why it's there in the first place... Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 9 11:08:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:08:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Cine games, MH and other stuff.. Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:09:22 GMT Message-ID: <34e05255.230479539@tommy.doctord.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:54:37 -0500 (EST), Jeff Anderson = wrote: >I have been mad at work fixing a bunch of Cine games the past 2 days and= I >figured I'd like to try out all my other extra boards in the process.. >The cabs I hav that work right now are Armor Attack, Solar >Quest, and Warrior. I also have a Taigunner which sems to have a few >problems, The monitor needs a 7918 (getting it hopefully tomorrow) to = work >and the PS in it is bad. I suspect the boards do not work all the way >though. I have a ripoff (monitor broken) and a Speed Freak (monitor and = PS >broke, boards unknown) too, but they are in storage >right now, although I do have the boardsets for them here so I might as >well test them while I am in the mood.=20 > >I'd like to test the boards from TG, SF, and ripoff in my good cabs so = can >I just swap them out into the Armor Attack? I ask because tailgunner for >instance has an extra >connector coming off the monitor going to the sound board.=20 You can test the TG board in the AA cabinet (the joystick won't work, but neither will the control panel...) > >I also have 2 Boxing Bugs boardsets and I guess I can just drop them = into >the solar quest since it has a 64-intensity level monitor and just = bypass >the color decoder board? You'd be better off changing the jumper on the BB board form VAR to NRM = and testing it in the AA cabinet. The 64-intensity board is not very = compatible with the color board. >What kind of spinner does >this game use? I have spinners from Tac/Scan, Tempest, TRON, and mad >planets so will any of those work? Is it similar to the steering wheel >sensor in Speed Freak? It uses a standard optical sensor, except it has much higher resolution = than the other games, you would have to do a lot of spinning to get the glove to = rotate just once. (around 4:1 I believe.) >Another thing I was wondering about is that whenever I turn on the Armor >Attack, the CRT heater gets REALLY bright, say 10 times brighter than it >should be for just a second, then it works normally. This doesn't seem >normal to me, but the heater is directly driven by the PS 6V right? I >swapped out PSs and it still happened The CRT getting bright in then dimming down is normal for Cinematronics = game. When the filament is cold is resistance is low, so it draws more current.= As it heats up the resistance goes up and the current consumption goes down. If the brightness is excessive (compared to other games), then I like = Kurt's theory. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn @ zonn . com -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 9 20:30:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:29:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:28:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Anderson X-Sender: mayday19@u2.farm.idt.net To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Cine games, MH and other stuff.. In-Reply-To: <34e05255.230479539@tommy.doctord.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Jeff Anderson On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Zonn wrote: > It uses a standard optical sensor, except it has much higher resolution than the > other games, you would have to do a lot of spinning to get the glove to rotate > just once. (around 4:1 I believe.) I guess I could just make one using a Tempest spinner, and make the disc in photoshop and print it out as a transparency and sandwich it between plastic just like speed freak.. > >Another thing I was wondering about is that whenever I turn on the Armor > >Attack, the CRT heater gets REALLY bright, say 10 times brighter than it > >should be for just a second, then it works normally. This doesn't seem > >normal to me, but the heater is directly driven by the PS 6V right? I > >swapped out PSs and it still happened > > The CRT getting bright in then dimming down is normal for Cinematronics game. > When the filament is cold is resistance is low, so it draws more current. As it > heats up the resistance goes up and the current consumption goes down. Yeah, that is true for any light bulb, but this thing is abnormally bright... Kurt is probably right. I never even thought of that. The tube still looks great though.. We'll see how long it lasts then as it is operated every day... thanks! Jeff From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 9 22:25:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:24:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34DFF258.44AB@istar.ca> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:23:20 -0800 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Cine games, MH and other stuff.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: John Robertson Jeff Anderson wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Zonn wrote: > > > It uses a standard optical sensor, except it has much higher resolution than the > > other games, you would have to do a lot of spinning to get the glove to rotate > > just once. (around 4:1 I believe.) > > I guess I could just make one using a Tempest spinner, and make the disc > in photoshop and print it out as a transparency and sandwich it between > plastic just like speed freak.. > > > >Another thing I was wondering about is that whenever I turn on the Armor > > >Attack, the CRT heater gets REALLY bright, say 10 times brighter than it > > >should be for just a second, then it works normally. This doesn't seem > > >normal to me, but the heater is directly driven by the PS 6V right? I > > >swapped out PSs and it still happened > > > > The CRT getting bright in then dimming down is normal for Cinematronics game. > > When the filament is cold is resistance is low, so it draws more current. As it > > heats up the resistance goes up and the current consumption goes down. > > Yeah, that is true for any light bulb, but this thing is abnormally > bright... Kurt is probably right. I never even thought of that. The tube > still looks great though.. We'll see how long it lasts then as it is > operated every day... > > thanks! > Jeff Hi! I've seen a number of older B&W games with filaments that got very bright on warm up, they are still running-years later... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr@flippers.com, web page http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 10 20:46:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:46:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:49:34 -0500 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode Cc: Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) At 11:30 2/9/98, wrote: > Anyone know what the purpose of that #$$@*& HV diode on the >G05/19V2000 is? It seems to go bad in nearly every case, and I'm >not sure why it's there in the first place... It is a rectifier and is ABSOLUTELY required. Where are you guys getting replacments? I found a stash a while back but sold them all on the net and now I need 2 or 3 back for myself! From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 10 21:12:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:12:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:11:46 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Gregg Woodcock wrote: > It is a rectifier and is ABSOLUTELY required. Where are you guys getting > replacments? I found a stash a while back but sold them all on the net and > now I need 2 or 3 back for myself! > I was looking for a little more technical answer than that, but, I guess beggars can't be choosers... Anyways, you should be able to pick up the diodes at your local electronics store....That's where I'm getting mine, for around $10 a pop. Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 11 04:20:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:20:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:18:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Christopher X. Candreva" On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Gregg Woodcock wrote: > It is a rectifier and is ABSOLUTELY required. Where are you guys getting > replacments? I found a stash a while back but sold them all on the net and > now I need 2 or 3 back for myself! I found a local guy who had installed a bunch of GO-5's in police 911 systems back in the 80s. He knew the guy that still fixed them, since the PDs couldn't aford to replace them. Anyway, there's a standard SK and NTE replacement part (though the one he found me was an RCA part). The number is up on the Monitor page of magenta (or wherever it is now ), under the GO-5 section, with my name right there. :-) -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 11 05:44:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:43:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <9802111352.AA11529@Techsource.COM> From: "omar" To: Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:42:48 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "omar" Joe, What's the original (not replacement) number on that rectifier? The company I work for used to make monitors back in the late 70's and early 80's. We still have a fair amount of stock that they let us have instead of just pitching it. Thanks. Omar Vega omar@techsource.com ---------- > From: jwelser@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu > To: vectorlist@spies.com > Cc: jwelser@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 12:11 AM > > > On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Gregg Woodcock wrote: > > > It is a rectifier and is ABSOLUTELY required. Where are you guys getting > > replacments? I found a stash a while back but sold them all on the net and > > now I need 2 or 3 back for myself! > > > > I was looking for a little more technical answer than that, but, I > guess beggars can't be choosers... > > Anyways, you should be able to pick up the diodes at your local > electronics store....That's where I'm getting mine, for around $10 a pop. > > Joe > > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 11 09:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:00:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <9802111708.AA12442@Techsource.COM> From: "omar" To: Cc: Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode (fwd) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:58:48 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "omar" Paul, I don't own a G05 (yet) but I can look for the diode if someone on the vectorlist will give me a part number. Thanks. Omar Vega omar@techsource.com ---------- > From: Paul_Labuda > To: omar > Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode (fwd) > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 11:49 AM > > Cool... Actually, Joe's request for a G05 diode was quite probably for an > Asteroids Deluxe table he recently sold to a good friend of mine. I'm > about to buy an AD with a bad monitor, too, and since that part fails all > the time, I think I'm interested in about 5 of those diodes (the one > between the flyback and the tube) just to have on hand, as I plan to have > more G05 games as time passes. The schematic lists the diode in question > as being D904, but I don't have the parts list to break that down. > > - Paul Labuda > labuda@dell.com > > omar writes: > > > >I know that we don't have any more tubes or HV transformers however we do > >have a whole bunch of discretes left. Mostly zeners (no 150's but almost > >everything else) , rectifiers, caps, resistors, transistors, etc. We now > >make super high res video cards and only use surface mount components. The > >reason I mentioned the parts was that if someone is in desperate need of > >say the rectifier for the G05 (what is that number?) and I have some here I > >could send some out. I'm not trying to get into the parts business. I'm > >just offering to check and see if we have any of this stuff and help > >someone out who does not want to get reamed $10 for a commodity part that > >should be less than $1. > > > >Omar Vega > > > >---------- > >> From: Paul_Labuda > >> To: omar@Techsource.COM > >> Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode (fwd) > >> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 10:31 AM > >> > >> Omar, > >> > >> What kinds of monitors and parts do you have access to? I'm looking hard > >> for flybacks for the Tempest XY monitors, and am interested in just about > >> any XY parts that might be laying around. > >> > >> - Paul Labuda > >> > >> omar writes: > >> >From omar@Techsource.COM Wed Feb 11 07:54:22 1998 > >> > > >> >Joe, > >> >What's the original (not replacement) number on that rectifier? The > >> >company I work for used to make monitors back in the late 70's and early > >> >80's. We still have a fair amount of stock that they let us have > >instead > >> >of just pitching it. Thanks. > >> > > >> >Omar Vega > >> >omar@techsource.com > > > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 11 09:18:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:18:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:17:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode (fwd) In-Reply-To: <9802111708.AA12442@Techsource.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Christopher X. Candreva" On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, omar wrote: > Paul, > I don't own a G05 (yet) but I can look for the diode if someone on the > vectorlist will give me a part number. Thanks. OK -- I've got the part numbers here. SK7333 or NTE 527A are replacement parts. ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 11 09:50:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:50:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:50:44 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: G05 HV diode Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) The original was a Varo 1802. Varo was bought by Microsemi Corp according to the "unusual diode FAQ" http://margo.student.utwente.nl/el/componen/diodefaq.html If you have a HV probe, you should be able to tell if the part is open or not (the connections may just have corroded) From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 11 10:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:21:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <9802111830.AA12856@Techsource.COM> From: "omar" To: Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode (fwd) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:20:30 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "omar" Chris, I need the original not the replacement part number. Thanks. Omar ---------- > From: Christopher X. Candreva > To: vectorlist@spies.com > Cc: Christopher X. Candreva > Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode (fwd) > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 12:17 PM > > On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, omar wrote: > > > Paul, > > I don't own a G05 (yet) but I can look for the diode if someone on the > > vectorlist will give me a part number. Thanks. > > OK -- I've got the part numbers here. SK7333 or NTE 527A are replacement > parts. > > ========================================================== > Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816 > WestNet Internet Services of Westchester > http://www.westnet.com/ > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 11 11:03:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:03:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:02:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@spies.com cc: omar Subject: Re: G05/19V2000 HV diode (fwd) In-Reply-To: <9802111830.AA12856@Techsource.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Christopher X. Candreva" On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, omar wrote: > Chris, > I need the original not the replacement part number. Thanks. Sorry -- I dont have that -- I just found the bag the diode came in. But,as I had posted before, all this info is on Jess's magenta.com archive (now at gamearchive.com), in the Monitor section. FuLL url: http://www.gamearchive.com/video/manufacturer/atari/vector/html/monitor.html And it says: Chris Candreva would like to note that the diode between the flyback and the tube (Part# H1812) can be replaced with either an SK7333 or ECG/NTE 527A. -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 11 11:13:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:12:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:12:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: G05 HV diode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Christopher X. Candreva" On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Al Kossow wrote: > > The original was a Varo 1802. Varo was bought by Microsemi Corp Part number on mine was H1812 -- is the 1802 a type-o ? -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 11 11:22:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:22:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:22:25 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: G05 HV diode Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) Part number on mine was H1812 -- is the 1802 a type-o ? yes, I was looking at a wells b&w raster schematc (oops..) From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 11 21:52:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:51:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:50:35 -0700 (MST) From: Anders Knudsen X-Sender: andersk@janeway To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: LV2000 update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Anders Knudsen Just a quick status update. I have received orders from the following people: Kurt Mahan Gregg Woodcock David Fish Scott Goings Joel Rosenzweig Steve Ozdemir Guy Dillon Chris Hanks Mit Matelske David Clem Corey Stup John Linville Chris Moore David Humphrey Werner Sharp Clay Cowgill David Hanes Bill Esquivel Ray Ghanbari Al Kossow Zonn Moore The boards are still at the fab. I called them early this week and they have done the films, so not long now... If you are interested, JeffH has started the LV2000 page. This will have docs for installation and assembly. Currently the docs up there now are in an incomplete state, but you're welcome to take a look. The final docs will be completed once the boards are in, since there are pictures that need to be added. The page is http://www.diac.com/~jeffh/lv2000 -Anders. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 12 08:39:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:38:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: Mike Benedict-- need your phone number! Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:37:09 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill Sorry 'bout the spam, folks. Mike-- DHL is having trouble delivering the Sega Multigame to the address you gave me. Please e-mail me your phone number or call me with it ASAP! Thanks, -Clay (360-604-1442) Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 12 09:29:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:29:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:28:25 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: WG Color XY... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Hey all, I had a really wierd thing happen to one of my tested-good WG color XYs the other day.... Here's the scenario: I've got a Tempest cocktail which is playing blind, so I swap in this good monitor. I don't get a screen, and after a couple of seconds, I hear a couple of snap-crackle-pops, and I see a smoked resistor, and both deflection fuses are blown. I've been repairing this monitor over the past evening or so. So far, I've had to replace ALL 4 power deflection transistors, the smoked resistor, of course, and the HV board is bad (but I haven't gotten around to troubleshooting it, yet.) I put another HV cage in, and the monitor still isn't working perfecly, but it's "limping" with a half-picture, and not blowing any fuses. Remember, this was a previously tested-good (by me) monitor. I'm not too concerned about repairing the monitor -- I'll get it done soon, but I'm wondering what could've caused it to tear itself apart like that. I checked the outputs of the board, and they seem reasonable (though not perfect.) I think I read like -3V DC on the XY outputs, and I forget the AC reading (though it didn't trigger any warning bells.) The deflection board on this monitor was equipped with the "Input Protection Circuit." Some job it did..... Any ideas? Before I plug a monitor into a game, what I look for on the XY outputs? I kinda thought those numbers that I read were reasonable, but now I'm not so sure... Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 12 09:38:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:37:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:36:33 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: WG color XY (more info) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Whoops, I almost forgot one important "clue." When I opened up the HV cage, I saw that one of the input filter caps (the 100u, 50V ones near the lower center of the board) looked like it had burst open, and there was electrolyte all over the HV board. The caps were installed correctly and look failry new. I replaced both input filter caps, and the HV unit still doesn't work (but, at least, it's not blowing these caps now.) The more I think about this, the wierder it gets. The only thing I can think of that blew those caps is an over-volt problem, but I have found NOTHING bad in the LV power supply circuit, and it still works, even now. Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 12 12:00:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:58:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: I'm still alive... Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:57:30 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill I've been quiet lately, so here's an update. (Busy with work.) Sega Multigames are shipping as soon as I get them built. A bunch went out yesterday. I should be caught up by Monday! ESB kits are gone. :-( (I might have over-comitted on one or two... *gulp*) After thinking about it and looking at the schematics for Star Wars I have an idea for a "version 3.0" spin on the thing. I think I can do it with a daughtercard that plugs into the CPU socket (with one EPROM like the Sega Multigame) and then a single EPROM for the AVG and a single EPROM for the Sound board. MUCH cleaner if I can get it to work right, and probably cheaper too. :-) Oh, and Ray-- shipped a box to you today. (!!!!) -Clay Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 12 13:06:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:04:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:04:35 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: Arkanoid spinners Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) I figured Clay or someone would know this off the top of their heads; are the spinners on Arkanoid quadrature encoders? Someone just posted on RGVAC wondering about the controls and I checked the pinouts I have on spies, and they show it as a "1P L" "1P R", which seems kind of odd... Did you ever do anthing more on the "universal spinner" PIC Clay? From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 12 13:29:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:29:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:28:35 -0500 (EST) From: Mitchell Rohde To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Battlezone and AVG board/rom revisions... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Mitchell Rohde Does anyone have any info on board and rom revisions (and which work with which) with regard to Battlezone? What are the changes in the board wiring between revisions? I have d/led at least two versions from ROM archives, and wonder if anyone has investigated. mitch From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 12 13:41:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:41:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Paul Kahler Message-Id: <199802122142.QAA29990@saturn.acs.oakland.edu> Subject: Re: Arkanoid spinners To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:42:23 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Al Kossow" at Feb 12, 98 01:04:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Paul Kahler > I figured Clay or someone would know this off the top of > their heads; are the spinners on Arkanoid quadrature encoders? > Someone just posted on RGVAC wondering about the controls > and I checked the pinouts I have on spies, and they show it > as a "1P L" "1P R", which seems kind of odd... Yes, they are quadrature encoders. It struck me funny that they label them L/R. However, if the paddle was moving the wrong way it's more intuitive that you must have L & R reversed than to expect someone to understand the phase relationship. BTW, last I checked Arkanoid was not a vector game ;-) But it could make a nice Tempest programming project! -- ___ __ _ _ _ | \ / \ | | | || | phkahler@oakland.edu Engineer/Programmer | _/| || || |_| || |__ " What makes someone care so much? |_| |_||_| \___/ |____) for things another man can just ignore. " -S.H. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 12 13:42:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:42:47 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Arkanoid spinners Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) "BTW, last I checked Arkanoid was not a vector game ;-) But it could make a nice Tempest programming project! " I know, but I thought I tied it in nicely by asking Clay if he ever built the spinner adapter that could use an Arkanoid spinner :-) From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 12 15:37:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:36:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Arkanoid spinners Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:35:49 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > I figured Clay or someone would know this off the top of > their heads; are the spinners on Arkanoid quadrature encoders? > Someone just posted on RGVAC wondering about the controls > and I checked the pinouts I have on spies, and they show it > as a "1P L" "1P R", which seems kind of odd... > Think, think, think... Grrr. Brain full... Well, I can say for sure that I was able to retrofit an Atari ST mouse to work with an Arkanoid board. ;-) For that reason I want to say it's a Clk+Direction arrangement. I don't think it was a quadrature input, but that's the other possibility. > Did you ever do anthing more on the "universal spinner" PIC > Clay? > No, you know I just made the thing and never did figure out what I should do with it. I should look it up again and build one to play with on the Sega stuff. -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 12 21:04:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:01:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:04:17 -0500 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) Subject: Re: LV2000 update Cc: Anders Knudsen Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) At 22:50 2/11/98, Anders Knudsen wrote: >The boards are still at the fab. I called them early this week and they >have done the films, so not long now... I hope you remembered to etch your email address or phone number on the PCBs somewhere so that others can "discover" them and order more... From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 12 21:13:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:10:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:13:35 -0500 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) Subject: Re: I'm still alive... Cc: Clay Cowgill Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) At 11:57 2/12/98, Clay Cowgill wrote: >ESB kits are gone. :-( (I might have over-comitted on one or two... >*gulp*) After thinking about it and looking at the schematics for Star >Wars I have an idea for a "version 3.0" spin on the thing. I think I >can do it with a daughtercard that plugs into the CPU socket (with one >EPROM like the Sega Multigame) and then a single EPROM for the AVG and a >single EPROM for the Sound board. MUCH cleaner if I can get it to work >right, and probably cheaper too. :-) Clay; I,ve been waiting for my ESB kits for so long that the hype has left the consumers and the game is no longer particularly desirable to my location (I missed the gravy train). Therefore you can use mine to fill the outstanding orders and send me rev 3 kits when they are done. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 13 08:33:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:30:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: I'm still alive... Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:29:53 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > Clay; I,ve been waiting for my ESB kits for so long that the hype has > left > the consumers and the game is no longer particularly desirable to my > location (I missed the gravy train). Therefore you can use mine to > fill > the outstanding orders and send me rev 3 kits when they are done. > Ok-- you're *sure*? I'll be more than willing to kick them out to others. Want me just to send you a refund until I do the new boards? (And don't make it sound like you didn't HAVE any ESB kits, Gregg... Not my fault you didn't use my EPROMs and PALs and couldn't make the first ones work... ;-) -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 13 13:15:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:12:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: "Brendan Keith" To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Arkanoid spinners Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:36:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Brendan Keith" I'm just about to embark on restoring a Tempest with an Arkanoid spinner so I'd appreciate hearing any info that anyone has on their experience with that type of retrofit. Thanks, Brendan Keith bkeith1@nortel.com From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 13 21:29:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:29:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:32:36 -0500 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) Subject: RE: I'm still alive... Cc: Clay Cowgill Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) At 8:29 2/13/98, Clay Cowgill wrote: >Ok-- you're *sure*? I'll be more than willing to kick them out to >others. Want me just to send you a refund until I do the new boards? Just keep it and send me 2 rev 3's when they're done. >(And don't make it sound like you didn't HAVE any ESB kits, Gregg... Not >my fault you didn't use my EPROMs and PALs and couldn't make the first >ones work... ;-) True but if I'd gotten the "drop in" rev 2's when I ordered them (roughly the same time I send the rev 1 back) I'd have been sitting pretty. Don't sweat it; it's no big deal. I'm just frustrated about the whole operator gig right now... From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 06:06:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:05:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199802171405.AA268164340@firewall.dofasco.ca> From: Ranger Mike To: vectorlist@goonsquad.spies.com Subject: Wells Gardiner vs Ampliphone Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:55:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Ranger Mike Hi all, hoping you can help.... A friend recently indicated that he knows of a star wars machine for sale locally. It in some-ones recroom and in nice condition. So I asked around and found some interest (hi Brendan). The question is, what monitor is inside? So I have to ask the guy the question over the phone. Now when I got my Gravitar, the monitor itself had no name on it other than an atari part number, but beacause I also got the manual, I know that it is a WG. After having fixed the monitor, I am now pretty familiar with it, and can describe it. The Ampliphone , however, I have no experience with(nor have I ever seen one, is that a good thing or a bad thing?), and was wondering if there some "Slap you in the face" physical feature I can ask the guy to determine the monitor make. The WG for instance has the familiar "metal cage" and all the board numbers (324 etc..) are hard to see. Does the Ampliphone have the cage? Any distiguishing features? Atari Part number? Thanks in advance Mike From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 07:10:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:07:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <34E9A77A.4C7B@an.hp.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:06:34 -0500 From: Joel Rosenzweig Organization: Hewlett-Packard Medical Products Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Wells Gardiner vs Ampliphone References: <199802171405.AA268164340@firewall.dofasco.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Joel Rosenzweig Mike, An Ampliflame monitor does look very different from the Wells Gardner. This monitor is composed of a separate high voltage board, usually with a large red transformer, a separate deflection board, with a large rectangular black heat sink on one side, and then the tube, not mechanically connected to either of the two circuit boards. It is mounted to the cabinet frame, and not to a monitor frame like the WG. When looking from the back of the machine, the HV board will be mounted near the top, on the left hand side, and the deflection board will be mounted in the middle of the right hand side. Personally, I'd hope it was the Amplifone, because the resolution of this tube is dramatically better than that in the WG. I have both monitors, and have used each monitor with both Tempest and Star Wars, and I can tell you that Star Wars really benefits from the higher resolution display. Tempest looks great also, but it's not strictly necessary. It is true that if it has the Amplifone monitor, that you'll have reliability problems with that red HV transformer, and you will need to replace it with the WinTron replacement, which at last count cost $190 back in November. Mine was $160 back in October. If it's the WG monitor, you'll have greater reliability (than a stock Amplifone), especially with Anders Knudsen's LV2000 low voltage supply retrofit, and you won't shell out cash for a new HV transformer, but the display quality will suffer noticeably. Personally, I see the $190 as a bargain to restore my Star Wars machine to look the way in which it was intended. But, I have balked at doing the retrofit with my Tempest, due to the price. Joel- Ranger Mike wrote: > > Hi all, hoping you can help.... > A friend recently indicated that he knows of a star wars machine > for sale locally. It in some-ones recroom and in nice condition. So I > asked around and found some interest (hi Brendan). The question is, > what monitor is inside? So I have to ask the guy the question over the > phone. > Now when I got my Gravitar, the monitor itself had no name on it > other than an atari part number, but beacause I also got the manual, I > know that it is a WG. After having fixed the monitor, I am now pretty > familiar with it, and can describe it. The Ampliphone , however, I have > no experience with(nor have I ever seen one, is that a good thing or a > bad thing?), and was wondering if there some "Slap you in the face" > physical feature I can ask the guy to determine the monitor make. > The WG for instance has the familiar "metal cage" and all the > board numbers (324 etc..) are hard to see. Does the Ampliphone have the > cage? Any distiguishing features? Atari Part number? > > Thanks in advance > Mike From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 07:38:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:35:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:34:14 -0500 (EST) From: Mitchell Rohde To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: G05 question... In-Reply-To: <34E9A77A.4C7B@an.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Mitchell Rohde Trying to troubleshoot my G05 for the Battlezone... I found both of the power transistors that are on the output of the Y amplifier circuit are dead shorted C to E. This caused the two fuses on the input to the 60 VAC input diode bridge (D100 I think it was numbered) to blow. The bridge looked ok, and the caps after the bridge looked ok. Now, the question: obviously, the short through those 2 power transistors caused the bridge to draw too much current and the fuses to blow. Why did the transistors blow? If one of the two blew, I'd say bd transistor. Would one failing cause the other to fail because of the circuit configuration? OR, is the circuit that drives the bases of those transistors somehow messed up so it opened both of them at the same time, they drew too much current through the almost dead short, and whammo -- both gone...?? I figured you guys have replaced enough of these power transistors to see certain behaviors... Mitch From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 09:12:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:12:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Dangerwil@aol.com Message-ID: <4adc07af.34e9c4c9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:11:35 EST To: vectorlist@spies.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Wells Gardiner vs Ampliphone Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Dangerwil@aol.com The Wells Gardner can easily run the ampliphone tube. If you want to get an identical tube all you have to do is pull the tube out of a WG K4600 (the one with the standup boards, raster monitor) With a little work it converges easily and looks just as great as the ampliphone in a WG 6100 :: ) Bill From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 10:31:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:30:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980217123313.00934480@bl-mail1.corpeast.baynetworks.com> X-Sender: mmatelsk@bl-mail1.corpeast.baynetworks.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:33:15 -0600 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: Mit_Matelske@BayNetworks.COM (Mit Matelske) Subject: Re: Wells Gardiner vs Ampliphone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Mit_Matelske@BayNetworks.COM (Mit Matelske) At 12:11 PM 2/17/98 EST, you wrote: > > >The Wells Gardner can easily run the ampliphone tube. If you want to get an >identical tube all you have to do is pull the tube out of a WG K4600 (the one >with the standup boards, raster monitor) With a little work it converges >easily and looks just as great as the ampliphone in a WG 6100 :: ) > >Bill > With this *all* this talk about Amplifones ... I have a question. What is the general opinion on there stability / longevity with a Wintron transformer installed? I have a few sets I am thinking of buying a trans for and cannot decide to go that route or locate some Wells... I guess it boils down to: Amplifone (w/ Wintron) VS. WG (w/ LV2000) Thanks, Mit From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 10:39:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:38:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980217113726.009b7850@btc.btc.adaptec.com> X-Sender: andersk@btc.btc.adaptec.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:37:26 -0700 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: Anders Knudsen Subject: LV2000 update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Anders Knudsen Well the boards were *supposed* to be done yesterday, however, the fab place got something wrong. There were no holes drilled!?!?! Luckily they had not routed the boards out yet, so they just need to go back to drill. The latest is that the boards will be done by Wednesday (tomorrow). Barring any other major problems, I should start shipping them this weekend! -Anders. ----------------------------------------- | Anders Knudsen | ASIC Design Engineer | Adaptec, Inc., Boulder Technology Center | anders_knudsen@btc.adaptec.com | http://www.adaptec.com ========================================= From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 10:41:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:41:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:40:49 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Wells Gardiner vs Ampliphone In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980217123313.00934480@bl-mail1.corpeast.baynetworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Mit Matelske wrote: > With this *all* this talk about Amplifones ... I have a question. What is > the general opinion on there stability / longevity with a Wintron transformer > installed? I have a few sets I am thinking of buying a trans for and cannot > decide to go that route or locate some Wells... > > I guess it boils down to: > > Amplifone (w/ Wintron) VS. WG (w/ LV2000) > I would go with the Amplifone hands down over any "souped-up" version of the WG. Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 10:51:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:51:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199802171849.MAA01383@fermat.mayo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980217123313.00934480@bl-mail1.corpeast.baynetworks.com> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.0b5) From: Ray Ghanbari Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 12:52:11 -0600 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Wells Gardiner vs Ampliphone References: <3.0.32.19980217123313.00934480@bl-mail1.corpeast.baynetworks.com> Organization: Mayo Foundation Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Ray Ghanbari You wrote: > With this *all* this talk about Amplifones ... I have a question. What is > the general opinion on there stability / longevity with a Wintron transformer > installed? I have a few sets I am thinking of buying a trans for and cannot > decide to go that route or locate some Wells... > > I guess it boils down to: > > Amplifone (w/ Wintron) VS. WG (w/ LV2000) I'll echo this question. I'm keen to restore my Star Wars to its original form (currently has a WG) but am concerned about the reliability of the Ampliphone. Having an Ampliphone tube with WG chassis won't quite cut it for a restoration, but it may be a necessary compromise. That being said, if someone wants to trade a working Ampliphone for a working WG, give a holler ;-) Ray From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 11:13:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:12:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Wells Gardiner vs Ampliphone Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:11:52 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > I'll echo this question. > > I'm keen to restore my Star Wars to its original form (currently has a > WG) but > am concerned about the reliability of the Ampliphone. Having an > Ampliphone > tube with WG chassis won't quite cut it for a restoration, but it may > be a > necessary compromise. > I'll add another factor for consideration. I've noticed (and a couple other people have too) that the display quality of the WG seems to be much better overall with the "Display Corrector" installed. (Chris and Travis can probably vouch for me here.) Theory: The rather large dot-pitch/shadow mask of the WG tube leads to visible vertical (black) lines through any onscreen vectors. Since the display corrector is "straightening" the lines on-screen, vertical lines seem brighter and more continuous (horizontal lines don't have much difference). This might contribute to some perception differences since the display "quality" seems to improve much more than straightening out some lines would explain. (And there isn't ANYTHING else that it's doing.) I have an Amplifone tube that I'm going to swap into the WG one of these days and see how that looks by comparison. I bet that a better flat-tube with a smaller shadow mask coupled with WG electronics and Ander's LV2000 would probably yield Amplifone (or better) results. BTW, has anyone ever tried a medium persistence tube on one of these things? (Star Wars flickers quite a bit... ;-) -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 13:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:09:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:08:14 GMT X-Sender: jeffh@mail.diac.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vectorlist@spies.com From: jeffh@diac.com (Jeff Hendrix) Subject: Re: Wells Gardiner vs Ampliphone Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: jeffh@diac.com (Jeff Hendrix) I just called zanen (5 min. ago) and asked about the status of the amplifone HV transformer replacement. He said he's tested the prototypes and they seem good (atari probably thought the same thing about the red transfomers, hopefully these are up to wintron specs). He's going to be placing an order shortly to have a bunch made. He said it would take 6-8 weeks and he said he hopes to sell them in the $60-$70 range. So there might be hope for my 5 or so dead amplifones. But go ahead and order LV2000s anyway, so at least your wells monitors will last a long time. -jeff jeffh@diac.com Buy/Sell/Trade classic video arcade games. www.diac.com/~jeffh/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 13:35:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:35:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:35:45 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: vector triva Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) from the giant list of classic game programmers page: According to Jack Pearson, Midway's Omega Race was intended to be competition for Atari's Asteroids. "We thought flying the spaceship was almost as fun as shooting the asteroids," he recalls. "We put masking tape on the screen to make us a kind of track to fly the spaceship. Making the turns with the thruster we thought was really fun so our game Omega Race developed from that concept." The game was developed at Arcade Engineering, which was later bought by Midway. Scott Boden, the programmer of Star Castle (a Tim Skelly design), mentioned that he wrote an unreleased game called Outpost before leaving Cinematronics. "In high rounds it became very hectic and loud with mass carnage, like a cross between Rip-off, Tempest, and Robotron." Scott also did the design and programming for Cinematronics' Solar Quest. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 13:42:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:42:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980217154438.009346d0@bl-mail1.corpeast.baynetworks.com> X-Sender: mmatelsk@bl-mail1.corpeast.baynetworks.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:44:40 -0600 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: Mit_Matelske@BayNetworks.COM (Mit Matelske) Subject: Re: Wells Gardiner vs Ampliphone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Mit_Matelske@BayNetworks.COM (Mit Matelske) At 09:08 PM 2/17/98 GMT, you wrote: >I just called zanen (5 min. ago) and asked about the status of the >amplifone HV transformer replacement. He said he's tested the prototypes >and they seem good (atari probably thought the same thing about the red >transfomers, hopefully these are up to wintron specs). >He's going to be placing an order shortly to have a bunch made. He said it >would take 6-8 weeks and he said he hopes to sell them in the $60-$70 >range. So there might be hope for my 5 or so dead amplifones. >But go ahead and order LV2000s anyway, so at least your wells monitors will >last a long time. > >-jeff > >jeffh@diac.com > >Buy/Sell/Trade classic video arcade games. >www.diac.com/~jeffh/ > Yipee!! Now, anyone know a modern replacement 25" tube for the old Amplifone? Come on.... My SW cockpit is begging for that big baby!!! Mit From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 17 20:34:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:34:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:33:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Anderson X-Sender: mayday19@u3.farm.idt.net To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Wells Gardiner vs Ampliphone In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980217154438.009346d0@bl-mail1.corpeast.baynetworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Jeff Anderson On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Mit Matelske wrote: > Yipee!! Now, anyone know a modern replacement 25" tube for the old Amplifone? > Come on.... My SW cockpit is begging for that big baby!!! That would be nice.. the tube in my ESB is so beat it wont converge right. it is off like 1/4" in the corners at best... It even still has a red flyback and runs great for 9 hours every day! I guess the amplifones just cant handle the death star explosion... Good to hear there will be cheap replacements too! Put all the amplifones back to good use! and If I had the choice, I would use all amplifones too.. they seem to be more reliable and use a better tube. I have had several that have never had a prob other than the flybacks.. Of coure I dont mind the WGs eitheer for reliability. I have 10 color vector games with WGs in 'em that get operated every day, and they hardly never skip a beat... I think I am the only one in the vectorlist not buying in to the LV2000 but the WGs (or the amplifones for that matter) are just so easy to fix if you've done it a few times... I have had only 2 LV failures in the past year, and it takes 10 min to swap out the parts that cost $3. I just buy the cap kits, cap the HV cages, and only replace other stuff when it is bad... Great idea for those that dont know much about the monitor though..and it is surely more reliable than a regular WG... Jeff From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 18 06:46:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:45:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Paul Kahler Message-Id: <199802181444.JAA28888@vela.acs.oakland.edu> Subject: Re: vector triva To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:44:30 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Al Kossow" at Feb 17, 98 01:35:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Paul Kahler > from the giant list of classic game programmers page: > > Scott Boden, the programmer of Star Castle (a Tim Skelly design), mentioned > that he wrote an unreleased > game called Outpost before leaving Cinematronics. "In high rounds it became > very hectic and loud with mass > carnage, like a cross between Rip-off, Tempest, and Robotron." Scott also > did the design and programming for Cinematronics' Solar Quest. Scott told me that when he left Cinematronics, someone decided Outpost should be a "Cute" game and it changed quite dramatically into.... Boxing Bugs. Outpost was loosely based on the idea of "reverse Star Castle" where you played the ship in the middle and were under attack - I don't think there were 3 rotating shields though (not THAT similar). -- ___ __ _ _ _ | \ / \ | | | || | phkahler@oakland.edu Engineer/Programmer | _/| || || |_| || |__ " What makes someone care so much? |_| |_||_| \___/ |____) for things another man can just ignore. " -S.H. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 18 13:22:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:22:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Kurt Mahan Message-Id: <199802182121.OAA23028@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Address Moving To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:21:15 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Kurt Mahan Just so that people can change their aliases: My new email address is: kmahan@xmission.com Kurt From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 18 13:33:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:33:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison@cig.mot.com ) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:32:29 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9802181532.ZM25801@calcite> In-Reply-To: Kurt Mahan "Address Moving" (Feb 18, 2:21pm) References: <199802182121.OAA23028@xmission.xmission.com> X-face: "@9[FFAftX<9}2=gaPlIyRv_K%h[>.@"8t}B2So!iv.\#M9NplA9bDudBQ|]E`WL9Kd,Tn2v.0OGcE<$yg{&}(m:mB\GO9L+yE}6=d17BM X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Sega XY boards shipped Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Mark Jenison All, I've shipped all boards (excepts Steve's which is in the back of my car). If you haven't noticed, I've been holding off further sales until the rest of the checks from the last three sales come in before I start on the Eliminator sound boards (here that?? You're holding up boards for other people! ;-)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison@cig.mot.com Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 19 02:04:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:04:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:09:14 -0600 Subject: Battlezone backdrop? Message-ID: <19980219.040115.6590.1.gonzothegreat@juno.com> References: <199802171405.AA268164340@firewall.dofasco.ca> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,7-8,10-11,15-17 From: gonzothegreat@juno.com (Alan J McCormick) Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: gonzothegreat@juno.com (Alan J McCormick) I was over at a fellow RGVACer's house for a party when I noticed his BZ UR had a backdrop in addition to the cellophane overlay. This visit left me with a few questions... #1: Did all BZ UR (periscope and open face) have this overlay? I suspect mine is missing because a lazy operator didn't replace it after swapping out the monitor. #2: Does anybody have said backdrop for sale? If somebody has a mint one, xeroxes could be made for the rest of us. BTW Yet another Atari vector emulator is coming out soon. This one should appeal to true vector-junkies. It has support for the backdrop in Asteroids Dlx. It even simulates vector chatter! He just needs a pic of the backdrop for BZ. Virtu-Al _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 19 04:35:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:34:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: djeffery@multipath.com (Doug Jefferys) Message-Id: <199802191232.HAA20311@mpsrv3.multipath.com> Subject: Re: Battlezone backdrop? To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:32:12 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <19980219.040115.6590.1.gonzothegreat@juno.com> from "Alan J McCormick" at Feb 19, 98 02:09:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: djeffery@multipath.com (Doug Jefferys) Once upon a time, Alan J McCormick wrote: > > #1: Did all BZ UR (periscope and open face) have this overlay? I suspect > mine is missing because a lazy operator didn't replace it after swapping > out the monitor. Mine is from a cabaret. I think they all had the overlay, though. > #2: Does anybody have said backdrop for sale? If somebody has a mint one, > xeroxes could be made for the rest of us. > > BTW Yet another Atari vector emulator is coming out soon. This one should > appeal to true vector-junkies. It has support for the backdrop in > Asteroids Dlx. It even simulates vector chatter! He just needs a pic of > the backdrop for BZ. Mine's in far-from-mint condition, but would be the perfect thing to throw on my scanner and retouch. Drivers permitting, I'll see what I can do. I can't guarantee perfect color matching, but it'll be a good start... Later, Doug. -- Douglas W. Jefferys | Star Data Systems | Email: djeffery@multipath.com | From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 19 16:33:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:32:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: Space War audio schematic Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) Someone just asked me for it, and I forgot that it isn't up on spies. Could someone scan it in, and send it to me? From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 19 16:48:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:47:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Space War audio schematic Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:48:24 GMT Message-ID: <34efd257.6311616@tommy.doctord.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:32:56 -0800 (PST), aek (Al Kossow) wrote: > >Someone just asked me for it, and I forgot that it >isn't up on spies. Could someone scan it in, and=20 >send it to me? =46irst someone has to draw one. ;^) Didn't someone say it looked similar to Barrier's? -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn @ zonn . com -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 19 17:30:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:30:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <34ECDC8E.FAA1D17A@techsource.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:29:50 -0500 From: Omar Vega X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Space War audio schematic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Omar Vega Al, I lent David Haynes a Space Wars manual to scan for his website. Try e-mailing him to see if he will do it for you. Omar Vega Al Kossow wrote: > Someone just asked me for it, and I forgot that it > isn't up on spies. Could someone scan it in, and > send it to me? -- omar@techsource.com -- please use above address to reply, anti-spam in effect From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 19 17:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:48:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Space War audio schematic Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:49:02 GMT Message-ID: <34f1e083.9940102@tommy.doctord.com> References: <34ECDC8E.FAA1D17A@techsource.com> In-Reply-To: <34ECDC8E.FAA1D17A@techsource.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:29:50 -0500, Omar Vega = wrote: >Al, >I lent David Haynes a Space Wars manual to scan for his website. Try >e-mailing him to see if he will do it for you. If someone has found the schematic for the Space War sound board that = would be really cool! I have a copy of the Vectorbeam version of Space War (it doesn't include = a schematic of the sound board), I've never seen a Cinematronics version, = does it contain the schematic? -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn @ zonn . com -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 19 18:45:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:44:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34ECEAF8.F7EA19FD@telis.org> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:31:21 -0800 From: Bill Esquivel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Space War audio schematic References: <34ECDC8E.FAA1D17A@techsource.com> <34f1e083.9940102@tommy.doctord.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Bill Esquivel I have a space wars manual that has an extra operators adjustments supplement. Inside is the games hex code. Yes, the manual has a page on space wars audio. Zonn wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:29:50 -0500, Omar Vega wrote: > > >Al, > >I lent David Haynes a Space Wars manual to scan for his website. Try > >e-mailing him to see if he will do it for you. > > If someone has found the schematic for the Space War sound board that would be > really cool! > > I have a copy of the Vectorbeam version of Space War (it doesn't include a > schematic of the sound board), I've never seen a Cinematronics version, does it > contain the schematic? > > -Zonn > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: > |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically > / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures > / / //\\ // (__) > / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn @ zonn . com > -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 19 21:58:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:57:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980219215822.00695ca0@u1.netgate.net> X-Sender: grigsby@u1.netgate.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:58:22 -0800 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: The Grigsbeast Subject: Re: vector trivIa In-Reply-To: <199802181444.JAA28888@vela.acs.oakland.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: The Grigsbeast >Scott told me that when he left Cinematronics, someone decided Outpost should >be a "Cute" game and it changed quite dramatically into.... Boxing Bugs. >Outpost was loosely based on the idea of "reverse Star Castle" where you >played the ship in the middle and were under attack - I don't think there >were 3 rotating shields though (not THAT similar). That makes total sense. The game as it exists made none. Let's examine the three concepts in the game: 1) Cute 2) Bugs 3) Vector graphics Also, the game plays incredibly quickly and would have NO appeal to the Ms. Pac-Man crowd. It's actually a relatively fun twitch game, but the attempts at cute intermissions (complete with wickedly out-of-tune square wave music and incomprehensible two-frame vector cartoon animations) are one of the ugliest atrocities I have ever witnessed. PS: I don't think the full-size Battlezone had a screen surround with a design on it. Mine, and the others I've seen, are just black cardboard to hide the monitor brackets. // grigs From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 19 22:16:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:16:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <000c01bd3dc7$7c8acf60$2a0000df@Obie> From: "David Shoemaker" To: Subject: Boardset ID help Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:19:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "David Shoemaker" I have a pair of boards from a bulk buy I just did. 1 12"x12" board with a 100 pin edge connector 1 12"x5" board with a 100 pin edge connector 1 interconnect board with 2 100 pin edge connectors (mates to previous two boards) and 4 smaller edge connectors in the following order: 20 pos (labeled 11) 12 pos (labeled 12) 20 pos (labeled 13) 12 pos (labeled 14) Large board has a 6502, 2 Dac80's on it (which is why I am assuming vector), and 8 2708 roms. Ideas? Thanks, David From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 00:14:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:14:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:13:22 -0600 Subject: Showbiz Pizza order display Message-ID: <19980220.021323.12422.0.gonzothegreat@juno.com> References: <000c01bd3dc7$7c8acf60$2a0000df@obie> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-6,12-13,15-16,18-19,22-23,26-27,30-34 From: gonzothegreat@juno.com (Alan J McCormick) Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: gonzothegreat@juno.com (Alan J McCormick) Has anybody ever seen the hardware for one of these? It isn't a vector game but I would be willing to bet that it had some hardware in common with the vector games we know, love and obsess over. I can only give a hazy 15+ year old description of what the display looked like. The function of the display was to show pizza order numbers. When a new order came up, each digit (~1/2 the screen high) would cartwheel to the middle of the screen. The spinning looked very rough and seemed to cause everything else on the screen to flicker. Once the order number was displayed, the lower 1/3 of the screen would be divided into 3 boxes where the number that the previous big number would get bumped to. 19" monochrome B/W vector display. Something about the display screamed Atari to my young brain but I had no way of confirming this. The monitor was hung from the ceiling in a nondescript wooden box if I remember correctly. Judging from the simplicity of the display, I would suspect it used *very* simple (i.e. cheap) hardware and would probably have used available parts like the Atari monochrome vector displays. Since there were at least two of these monitors at the Showbiz here in Madison, the system would have had some way of remotely receiving the double digit order number and RAM for the four displayed orders. Yes David, I am wondering if your recent find may be this orphan of the vector family (unless it turns out to be some bizarre pirate Asteroids or Kevin's ever elusive Tempest 2...) A dump of the ROMs should be interesting. Virtu-Al _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 03:42:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:42:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: djeffery@multipath.com (Doug Jefferys) Message-Id: <199802201139.GAA19685@mpsrv3.multipath.com> Subject: Re: Showbiz Pizza order display To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 06:39:42 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <19980220.021323.12422.0.gonzothegreat@juno.com> from "Alan J McCormick" at Feb 20, 98 02:13:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: djeffery@multipath.com (Doug Jefferys) Once upon a time, Alan J McCormick wrote: > > The function of the display was to show pizza order numbers. When a new > order came up, each digit (~1/2 the screen high) would cartwheel to the > middle of the screen. The spinning looked very rough and seemed to cause > everything else on the screen to flicker. Once the order number was > displayed, the lower 1/3 of the screen would be divided into 3 boxes > where the number that the previous big number would get bumped to. > > 19" monochrome B/W vector display. Something about the display screamed > Atari to my young brain but I had no way of confirming this. > > The monitor was hung from the ceiling in a nondescript wooden box if I > remember correctly. Bloody hell, I'd forgotten these things ever existed. I now have a *very* dim memory of something very similar at a Chuck E. Cheese's, which could well be the same chain as Showbiz Pizza. Dang, now you've got me wondering about these things too... Later, Doug. -- Douglas W. Jefferys | Star Data Systems | Email: djeffery@multipath.com | From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 04:43:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 04:43:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <01BD3DD2.68186E60@war82.tir.com> From: Frank Palazzolo To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Showbiz Pizza order display Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:37:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Frank Palazzolo >Bloody hell, I'd forgotten these things ever existed. I now have a >*very* dim memory of something very similar at a Chuck E. Cheese's, >which could well be the same chain as Showbiz Pizza. > >Dang, now you've got me wondering about these things too... > >Later, >Doug. I worked at Chuck E. Cheese's, and I remember that the order displays were definitely raster B&W's there. It was a different chain from Showbiz, though. The letters were big and very blocky, and did not rotate. When a new order would come in, it would flash the two digit number on the whole screen, otherwise they would just sit on the screen about 6 or so in a row, and about 4 rows. These were packaged in black boxes. I wish I could remember the Showbiz monitors :) -Frank From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 05:10:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:10:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <01BD3DD6.1D5EF520@war82.tir.com> From: Frank Palazzolo To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:04:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Frank Palazzolo Are these available online anywhere? I checked the usual places already. Thanks, -Frank From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 06:37:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 06:37:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Paul Kahler Message-Id: <199802201436.JAA24917@vela.acs.oakland.edu> Subject: Re: Space War audio schematic To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:36:46 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <34f1e083.9940102@tommy.doctord.com> from "Zonn" at Feb 20, 98 01:49:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Paul Kahler > I have a copy of the Vectorbeam version of Space War (it doesn't include a > schematic of the sound board), I've never seen a Cinematronics version, does it > contain the schematic? I have one. Yep, it's got the schematic. If I had it with me I might do an ascii version for you - it's that simple :-) Looks like someone else is already going to scan it. -- ___ __ _ _ _ | \ / \ | | | || | phkahler@oakland.edu Engineer/Programmer | _/| || || |_| || |__ " What makes someone care so much? |_| |_||_| \___/ |____) for things another man can just ignore. " -S.H. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 08:24:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:24:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:24:07 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) A friend of mine with a E sized scanner just scanned Space Duel and Black Widow for me. I can have them on spies later today From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 08:54:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:54:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: "Ozdemir, Steve" To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Space War audio schematic Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:54:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Ozdemir, Steve" G'day Zonn (and folks), As I remember (and it's been getting faulty), Barrier's sound board is "organized" meaning there's some IC's in rows. Also, the Barrier sound board overall has a more "organized" feel to it when compared to the totally disorganized Space Wars sound board. Of course, there's one person (possibly two if the other person's Barrier has arrived) on this email list who can speak about Barrier with authority. I'll leave it for them to confirm or deny my vague recollections of the one Barrier that I saw three years ago. Steven S Ozdemir sso@plpt.com (my company renamed itself in Feb) sso@dsc.com (good for a few more months) ozdemir@xenon.stanford.edu (permanent...weekly) ps - By the way, if anyone does have questions about Barrier, I may be in a position to take a look at one in two weeks. Let me know what you want to know about it, and I'll make sure to do that research. I'm curious if the Barrier power supply has a 15 pin connector instead of the more typical 12 pin connector on most other Cinematronics/Vectorbeam power supplies. (I'll have to check my Warrior that also has a 15 pin connector to see if it has that typical extra 3 or 4 pin connector that most other Cinematronics/Vectorbeam power supplies. Folding the extra connector into the 12 pin connector would explain how they got a 15 pin connector for Warrior and possibly Barrier.) >---------- >From: zonn@zonn.com[SMTP:zonn@zonn.com] >Sent: Thursday, February 19, 1998 4:48 PM >To: vectorlist@spies.com >Cc: zonn@zonn.com >Subject: Re: Space War audio schematic > >On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:32:56 -0800 (PST), aek (Al Kossow) wrote: > >> >>Someone just asked me for it, and I forgot that it >>isn't up on spies. Could someone scan it in, and >>send it to me? > >First someone has to draw one. ;^) > >Didn't someone say it looked similar to Barrier's? > >-Zonn > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: > |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically > / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures > / / //\\ // (__) > / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn @ zonn . com > -------| // \\/ > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 09:01:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:01:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34EDB62D.5133@links.magenta.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:58:21 -0700 From: Jess Askey Organization: The Audio Analyst/The Game Spot X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Jess Askey Al Kossow wrote: > > A friend of mine with a E sized scanner just scanned Space Duel and > Black Widow for me. I can have them on spies later today What size is "E" anyway? Just wondering. My scanner is apparently "T", Tiny size. :-0 jess -- Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * 509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 09:24:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:24:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:23:43 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Space War audio schematic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Ozdemir, Steve wrote: > Of course, there's one person (possibly two if the other person's > Barrier has arrived) on this email list who can speak about Barrier with > authority. I'll leave it for them to confirm or deny my vague > recollections of the one Barrier that I saw three years ago. Not yet ;-) But any day now! > ps - By the way, if anyone does have questions about Barrier, I may be > in a position to take a look at one in two weeks. Let me know what you > want to know about it, and I'll make sure to do that research. I'm > curious if the Barrier power supply has a 15 pin connector instead of > the more typical 12 pin connector on most other Cinematronics/Vectorbeam > power supplies. (I'll have to check my Warrior that also has a 15 pin > connector to see if it has that typical extra 3 or 4 pin connector that > most other Cinematronics/Vectorbeam power supplies. Folding the extra > connector into the 12 pin connector would explain how they got a 15 pin > connector for Warrior and possibly Barrier.) I took a look at the "other" Barrier a few weeks ago, and it looked to me like Warrior/Barrier/Speed Freak (i.e. the vectorbeam games in the same cabinet) all used the same power supply. Of course, this was just a "look-at-it-and-see-if-it-looks-the-same" inspection, so I could be wrong. Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 09:33:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:33:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) X-Sender: coinop@mail.telepath.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:31:24 -0600 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: coinop@telepath.com (Timothy Ellis) Subject: Re: Showbiz Pizza order display Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: coinop@telepath.com (Timothy Ellis) >Has anybody ever seen the hardware for one of these? It isn't a vector >game but I would be willing to bet that it had some hardware in common >with the vector games we know, love and obsess over. As a former tech for Showbiz, I had to look at the hardware many times. 8) The setup consisted of: Apple 2e computer, some with rom cards that held the custom software, some with disk drives. Composite video distribution amp. Black and white ultra cheapo security monitors, which were rarely serviced. This was the cause of the dimming/blooming when the display content changed. The flickering vector like rotation was due to the limitation of the video card in the 2e. On a side note, Chuck E Cheese lost a lawsuit for copying Showbiz, and as a result Showbiz ended up with all remaining assets and rights to characters. That's why almost all Showbiz stores are Chuck E Cheese, the name/character change was an easy way to "freshen" the image. Whatever they are doing now is working commercially, Showbiz PTT inc. supposedly had thier best financial year ever in 96-97. Man I miss those days of having 2 Dragon's lairs to keep alive, and all of the other classics that I had there. I would probably still be there if the games were. Timothy Ellis aka SmashTV From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 10:09:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:09:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Boardset ID help Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:08:48 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > 1 12"x12" board with a 100 pin edge connector > 1 12"x5" board with a 100 pin edge connector > 1 interconnect board with 2 100 pin edge connectors (mates to previous > two > boards) and 4 smaller edge connectors in the following order: > 20 pos (labeled 11) > 12 pos (labeled 12) > 20 pos (labeled 13) > 12 pos (labeled 14) > Pirate Asteroids boardset. Goes with that weird little BW x/y monitor that uses the STK0050 audio amps. -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 10:27:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:27:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:27:24 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) it's big :-) the thing is actually a copier. I guess most modern large copiers can be used as scanners too.. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 10:39:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:39:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: vector trivIa (battlezone bezel) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:38:53 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > PS: I don't think the full-size Battlezone had a screen surround with > a > design on it. Mine, and the others I've seen, are just black > cardboard to > hide the monitor brackets. > My open-face Battlezone is just black cardboard on the sides too. YMMV. -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 12:09:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:09:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison@cig.mot.com ) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:07:57 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9802201407.ZM6218@calcite> In-Reply-To: Clay Cowgill "RE: vector trivIa (battlezone bezel)" (Feb 20, 10:38am) References: X-face: "@9[FFAftX<9}2=gaPlIyRv_K%h[>.@"8t}B2So!iv.\#M9NplA9bDudBQ|]E`WL9Kd,Tn2v.0OGcE<$yg{&}(m:mB\GO9L+yE}6=d17BM X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: vector trivIa (battlezone bezel) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Mark Jenison On Feb 20, 10:38am, Clay Cowgill wrote: > Subject: RE: vector trivIa (battlezone bezel) > > > PS: I don't think the full-size Battlezone had a screen surround with > > a > > design on it. Mine, and the others I've seen, are just black > > cardboard to > > hide the monitor brackets. > > > My open-face Battlezone is just black cardboard on the sides too. YMMV. What's the question? My Battlezone had cardboard graphic designs to simulate the inside of the tank. Upright periscope version. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison@cig.mot.com Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 12:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:33:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <004401bd3e3e$b1894620$7d3daccf@epettit> From: "Eddie Pettit" To: Subject: Re: vector trivIa (battlezone bezel) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:32:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Eddie Pettit" >What's the question? My Battlezone had cardboard graphic designs to simulate >the inside of the tank. Upright periscope version. Mine too! Edison 'Eddie' Pettit President The Pettit Company LC Public Records Filing & Research Services Web Site Hosting & Design Services http://www.pettitcompany.com/ 800-752-6158 800-236-2859 (FAX) From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 14:19:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:19:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980220222248.028eccd4@heartlab.com> X-Sender: cmoore@heartlab.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:22:48 -0500 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: "Christopher V. Moore" Subject: Re: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Christopher V. Moore" At 09:58 AM 2/20/98 -0700, you wrote: >Al Kossow wrote: >> >> A friend of mine with a E sized scanner just scanned Space Duel and >> Black Widow for me. I can have them on spies later today > >What size is "E" anyway? Just wondering. My scanner is apparently "T", >Tiny size. :-0 > jess >-- >Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** >Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * >509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * >Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** > > Paper size for drafting. If I remember correctly (its been 6 years since I've used this notation). As the short dimension doubles the paper goes to the next letter. The largest paper I've ever seen is E. A - 8.5 x 11 B - 11 x 17 C - 17 x 22 D - 22 x 34 E - 34 x 44 units are inches. Obv vectorlist question: I've been looking for a high voltage probe or standalone measurement tool to look at the HV on my game monitors. I just simply cannot *find* any such beast! If anyone has a source for this tool could you please let me know? Thanks, -Chris -- Christopher V. Moore -- Principal Engineer Heartlab, Inc. - 101 Airport Rd - Westerly, RI 02891 Phone: (401) 596-0592 - Fax: (401) 596-8562 - Email: cmoore@heartlab.com From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 14:39:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:39:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34EE057C.7D2D@links.magenta.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:36:44 -0700 From: Jess Askey Organization: The Audio Analyst/The Game Spot X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics References: <1.5.4.32.19980220222248.028eccd4@heartlab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Jess Askey Christopher V. Moore wrote: > > At 09:58 AM 2/20/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Al Kossow wrote: > >> > >> A friend of mine with a E sized scanner just scanned Space Duel and > >> Black Widow for me. I can have them on spies later today > > > >What size is "E" anyway? Just wondering. My scanner is apparently "T", > >Tiny size. :-0 > > jess > >-- > >Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** > >Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * > >509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * > >Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** > > > > > Paper size for drafting. If I remember correctly (its been 6 years since > I've used this notation). As the short dimension doubles the paper goes to > the next letter. The largest paper I've ever seen is E. > > A - 8.5 x 11 > B - 11 x 17 > C - 17 x 22 > D - 22 x 34 > E - 34 x 44 > > units are inches. > > Obv vectorlist question: I've been looking for a high voltage probe or > standalone measurement tool to look at the HV on my game monitors. I just > simply cannot *find* any such beast! If anyone has a source for this tool > could you please let me know? > > Thanks, > -Chris > -- > Christopher V. Moore -- Principal Engineer > Heartlab, Inc. - 101 Airport Rd - Westerly, RI 02891 > Phone: (401) 596-0592 - Fax: (401) 596-8562 - Email: cmoore@heartlab.com > MCM Electronics - Tenma High Voltage Probe The Tenma probe adapt most 10MOhm multimeters into a high voltage meter. Specs - Max Working Voltage .. 40KVDC/peak AC Division Ratio - 1000:1 90 day warranty MCM part # 72-3040 Price: $39.95 1-800-543-4330 -- Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * 509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 14:41:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:41:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <9802202250.AA03759@Techsource.COM> From: "omar" To: Subject: Re: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:40:13 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "omar" Chris, You can get the kind that plugs into a standard multimeter(cheaper) or a standalone HV probe. I know that MCM (www.mcmelectronics.com) has both. The prices are: #73-315 Plugin version $59.00 #73-520 Standalone $90.00 The plugin will step the voltages down by 1K for your standard multimeter with a high (10M ohm) input impedance. The standalone can handle up to 40kV DC. Omar ---------- > From: Christopher V. Moore > To: vectorlist@spies.com > Cc: Christopher V. Moore > Subject: Re: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics > Date: Friday, February 20, 1998 5:22 PM > > At 09:58 AM 2/20/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Al Kossow wrote: > >> > >> A friend of mine with a E sized scanner just scanned Space Duel and > >> Black Widow for me. I can have them on spies later today > > > >What size is "E" anyway? Just wondering. My scanner is apparently "T", > >Tiny size. :-0 > > jess > >-- > >Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** > >Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * > >509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * > >Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** > > > > > Paper size for drafting. If I remember correctly (its been 6 years since > I've used this notation). As the short dimension doubles the paper goes to > the next letter. The largest paper I've ever seen is E. > > A - 8.5 x 11 > B - 11 x 17 > C - 17 x 22 > D - 22 x 34 > E - 34 x 44 > > units are inches. > > Obv vectorlist question: I've been looking for a high voltage probe or > standalone measurement tool to look at the HV on my game monitors. I just > simply cannot *find* any such beast! If anyone has a source for this tool > could you please let me know? > > Thanks, > -Chris > -- > Christopher V. Moore -- Principal Engineer > Heartlab, Inc. - 101 Airport Rd - Westerly, RI 02891 > Phone: (401) 596-0592 - Fax: (401) 596-8562 - Email: cmoore@heartlab.com > > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 20 14:44:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:43:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <9802202252.AA03768@Techsource.COM> From: "omar" To: Subject: Re: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:42:15 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "omar" Correction: I meant that the plugin steps the voltages down by a factor of 1000, not by 1kV. Otherwise it would be pretty useless. Omar ---------- > From: Christopher V. Moore > To: vectorlist@spies.com > Cc: Christopher V. Moore > Subject: Re: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics > Date: Friday, February 20, 1998 5:22 PM > > At 09:58 AM 2/20/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Al Kossow wrote: > >> > >> A friend of mine with a E sized scanner just scanned Space Duel and > >> Black Widow for me. I can have them on spies later today > > > >What size is "E" anyway? Just wondering. My scanner is apparently "T", > >Tiny size. :-0 > > jess > >-- > >Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** > >Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * > >509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * > >Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** > > > > > Paper size for drafting. If I remember correctly (its been 6 years since > I've used this notation). As the short dimension doubles the paper goes to > the next letter. The largest paper I've ever seen is E. > > A - 8.5 x 11 > B - 11 x 17 > C - 17 x 22 > D - 22 x 34 > E - 34 x 44 > > units are inches. > > Obv vectorlist question: I've been looking for a high voltage probe or > standalone measurement tool to look at the HV on my game monitors. I just > simply cannot *find* any such beast! If anyone has a source for this tool > could you please let me know? > > Thanks, > -Chris > -- > Christopher V. Moore -- Principal Engineer > Heartlab, Inc. - 101 Airport Rd - Westerly, RI 02891 > Phone: (401) 596-0592 - Fax: (401) 596-8562 - Email: cmoore@heartlab.com > > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Sat Feb 21 10:03:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:03:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34EF16B9.5772@istar.ca> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:02:33 -0800 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Space War audio schematic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: John Robertson Everyone wants to know... Ozdemir, Steve wrote: > > G'day Zonn (and folks), > > As I remember (and it's been getting faulty), Barrier's sound board is > "organized" meaning there's some IC's in rows. Also, the Barrier sound > board overall has a more "organized" feel to it when compared to the > totally disorganized Space Wars sound board. Just in case anyone wants to know, the sound board has the following info printed PROMINANTLY on it "VECTORBEAM (C) 1978" and just below "80-3001 C", then a hand printed code, this one is Sn084-051. There is a 7406, TLI82, and 5 TL081CP's. One adjustment pot and a nine-pin power/speaker connector on the sound board. > Of course, there's one person (possibly two if the other person's > Barrier has arrived) on this email list who can speak about Barrier with > authority. I'll leave it for them to confirm or deny my vague > recollections of the one Barrier that I saw three years ago. > > Steven S Ozdemir > sso@plpt.com (my company renamed itself in Feb) > sso@dsc.com (good for a few more months) > ozdemir@xenon.stanford.edu (permanent...weekly) > > ps - By the way, if anyone does have questions about Barrier, I may be > in a position to take a look at one in two weeks. Let me know what you > want to know about it, and I'll make sure to do that research. I'm > curious if the Barrier power supply has a 15 pin connector instead of > the more typical 12 pin connector on most other Cinematronics/Vectorbeam > power supplies. (I'll have to check my Warrior that also has a 15 pin > connector to see if it has that typical extra 3 or 4 pin connector that > most other Cinematronics/Vectorbeam power supplies. Folding the extra > connector into the 12 pin connector would explain how they got a 15 pin > connector for Warrior and possibly Barrier.) The barrier that I am shipping (soon) has a 15 pin connector on the power supply, but only the first nine (9) pins are actually used... .... Just for the curious.. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr@flippers.com, web page http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Sun Feb 22 20:08:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:07:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:06:31 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Exorcisor on a chip Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Hey all, Well, I finally sucked it up, wired up the Exorcisor PLD that Al programmed for me (with my code) a few weeks ago, and tried it out. It actually works! (I'm surprised, because I almost never have anything work 100% the first time!) LEt me take this time to officially thank Al for programming it for me and saving me from having to buy a $150 adaptor for my programmer....Anyways... Now, given that this project is well on its way to completion (I have a prototype built on a breadboard) I need to get an interest gauge of how many people would be interested in getting one of these, and how much they'd be willing to pay. Here are the considerations: This thing is just 1 chip (A MACH210 44-pin PLCC package) that connects up to the 3 DIP cables that plug into the Cine. CPU boards. I would think that it would make a simple project to wire up (i.e. the people who are using this to troubleshoot Cine. CPU boards can probably handle making the board themselves.) Of course, I can always do a run of PCBs for it, and whether this is feasable or not depends on the interest level. The PCB will probably be small and square, criteria which, I think, would make it relatively cheap. Any advice from people who've done PCBs (Clay, Anders, etc) would be good here.... Please let me know... Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 08:50:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:49:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: "Ozdemir, Steve" To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Exorcisor on a chip Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:50:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Ozdemir, Steve" G'day Joe, Cool...I was considering this for a FPGA project, but your PLD implementation of the project seems much more appropriate. Have you tested it out to see if you can locate a fault (and fix it)? You might want to get some experience at this before remanufacturing this. Sorta work out any last kinks... If you have a shortage of broken Cinematronics motherboards, I'm sure some folks on this list might have some they'd be willing to let you practice on. Heck, they might end up with working boards after your experimentation, eh? My hat's off to both you and David Fish for making this remanufacturing of the Cinematronics Exercisor possible! Steven S Ozdemir sso@plpt.com (my company renamed itself in Feb) sso@dsc.com (good for a few more months) ozdemir@xenon.stanford.edu (permanent...weekly) ps - If your price is cheap enough, I'd buy one just as a back up. Do you have an idea of what it'll cost? $50?? $100??? Is it possible to solder directly to a socket and forgo the PCB....I'm envisioning a hack job where you use long wiring harnesses and gather them up close to the socket with several wireties. Then encase the whole thing in electrical tape (maybe adding something to give structure to the bundle of wires and the actual chip...well, that'd be just like a PCB right? 8^) 8^) 8^)). >---------- >From: jwelser@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu[SMTP:jwelser@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu] >Sent: Sunday, February 22, 1998 8:06 PM >To: vectorlist@spies.com >Cc: jwelser@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >Subject: Exorcisor on a chip > > >Hey all, > > Well, I finally sucked it up, wired up the Exorcisor PLD >that Al programmed for me (with my code) a few weeks ago, and tried it >out. It actually works! (I'm surprised, because I almost never have >anything work 100% the first time!) LEt me take this time to officially >thank Al for programming it for me and saving me from having to buy a $150 >adaptor for my programmer....Anyways... > > Now, given that this project is well on its way to completion (I >have a prototype built on a breadboard) I need to get an interest gauge of >how many people would be interested in getting one of these, and how much >they'd be willing to pay. > > Here are the considerations: > > This thing is just 1 chip (A MACH210 44-pin PLCC package) that >connects up to the 3 DIP cables that plug into the Cine. CPU boards. I >would think that it would make a simple project to wire up (i.e. the >people who are using this to troubleshoot Cine. CPU boards can probably >handle making the board themselves.) > > Of course, I can always do a run of PCBs for it, and whether this >is feasable or not depends on the interest level. The PCB will probably >be small and square, criteria which, I think, would make it relatively >cheap. Any advice from people who've done PCBs (Clay, Anders, etc) would >be good here.... > >Please let me know... > >Joe > > > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 09:00:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:59:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980223083740.009a9600@btc.btc.adaptec.com> X-Sender: andersk@btc.btc.adaptec.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:37:40 -0700 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: Anders Knudsen Subject: LV2000 Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Anders Knudsen Well, the PCBs are finally here! This weekend, Jeff and I put several together and tested them. They are working great. The boards look great, except that the silk screen got "cut off" around some of the pads. Apparently I placed the designators for some of the parts too close to the holes. Anyhow, this is no big deal. Live and learn, eh? Jeff's been helping out tremendously by getting the docs all put together. He has a digital camera with a macro mode that we've been using to take good pictures so the assembly instructions are very straight forward. I expect to start shipping the kits by Wednesday this week. -Anders. ----------------------------------------- | Anders Knudsen | ASIC Design Engineer | Adaptec, Inc., Boulder Technology Center | anders_knudsen@btc.adaptec.com | http://www.adaptec.com ========================================= From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 09:34:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:34:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:29:38 -0500 (EST) From: Mitchell Rohde To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: HP 5004A docs needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Mitchell Rohde Anyone out there here docs for this little signature analyzer? I just purchased one from a surplus place, and while it looks good and I can probably figure it out it would be nice to find a copy of the manual. Any help? Mitch From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 09:38:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:37:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:37:50 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: HP 5004A docs needed. Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) " Anyone out there here docs for this little signature analyzer? I just purchased one from a surplus place, and while it looks good and I can probably figure it out it would be nice to find a copy of the manual. " I could use a copy as well.. Anyone volunteer to scan in the manual(s)? From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 09:44:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:43:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:43:01 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Exorcisor on a chip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Ozdemir, Steve wrote: > G'day Joe, > > Cool...I was considering this for a FPGA project, but your PLD > implementation of the project seems much more appropriate. Have you > tested it out to see if you can locate a fault (and fix it)? You might > want to get some experience at this before remanufacturing this. Sorta > work out any last kinks... No, I haven't actually fixed a board with it yet. The way I determined that it works is by looking at the signatures of the Exorcisor that Dave Fish put on his schematic of the Exorcisor. I compared each signature to the outputs of my Exorcisor PLD, and they all matched. So, I'm 100% sure that the PLD works fine. I also tapped the clock for the Exorcisor right off of a Cine. CPU board and designed my own "clock terminator" (OK, well it's just a Schmitt trigger) because Dave F. had said that he was having problems with his clock. > > If you have a shortage of broken Cinematronics motherboards, I'm sure > some folks on this list might have some they'd be willing to let you > practice on. Heck, they might end up with working boards after your > experimentation, eh? My hat's off to both you and David Fish for making > this remanufacturing of the Cinematronics Exercisor possible! No problems in that area -- I have PLENTY of broken Cine. CPU boards! > ps - If your price is cheap enough, I'd buy one just as a back up. Do > you have an idea of what it'll cost? $50?? $100??? Is it possible to > solder directly to a socket and forgo the PCB....I'm envisioning a hack > job where you use long wiring harnesses and gather them up close to the > socket with several wireties. Then encase the whole thing in electrical > tape (maybe adding something to give structure to the bundle of wires > and the actual chip...well, that'd be just like a PCB right? 8^) 8^) > 8^)). > The problem is that this thing is a 44-pin PLCC package. To mount it to a PCB, it gets put into a sort of PLCC to PGA socket, and the pins are spaced pretty close together, so it's very hard to solder individual wires to them. In this prototype version, I bought a breadboard which has a PLCC socket mounted to it from my local electronics store, and I was able to breadboard a design. Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 09:47:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:47:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:46:25 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: HP 5004A docs needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Mitchell Rohde wrote: > > Anyone out there here docs for this little signature analyzer? I just > purchased one from a surplus place, and while it looks good and I can > probably figure it out it would be nice to find a copy of the manual. > > Any help? I think almost everyone is looking for a copy of this manual....I can use a copy too. The thing IS easy enough to use -- take a look at Dave. Fish's Cine. Exorcisor documentation up on spies for a good summary of how to use it (for troubleshooting Cinematronics boards, anyway.) Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 09:56:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:55:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: djeffery@multipath.com (Doug Jefferys) Message-Id: <199802231747.MAA03517@mpws15> Subject: Re: HP 5004A docs needed. To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:47:21 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Mitchell Rohde" at Feb 23, 98 09:29:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: djeffery@multipath.com (Doug Jefferys) Once upon a time, Mitchell Rohde wrote: > > Anyone out there here docs for this little signature analyzer? I just > purchased one from a surplus place, and while it looks good and I can > probably figure it out it would be nice to find a copy of the manual. Yup. I should be able to get the book copied for $10 or so. I've fired this to the whole list in case there's anyone else in the same situation, or who has it scanned in and/or OCR'd. Later, Doug. -- Douglas W. Jefferys | Star Data Systems | Email: djeffery@multipath.com | From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 10:02:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:01:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34F1B9B2.5BE5@fairchildsemi.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:02:26 -0500 From: Dave Morrill Organization: Fairchild Semiconductor, Portland, ME X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: High voltage supply question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Dave Morrill Hello, I'm new to the list, hope you guys can help. I'm Debugging an Asteroids Deluxe monitor prob., no display, high voltage supply very weak. The 20 Ohm power resistor in series with the 40V supply input to the High Voltage supply was burned/broken off. I resoldered it and checked the transistors/diodes/ and other resistors, they look OK. However, the primary input winding of the HV transformer measured .9 Ohms, all other windings were in the 2-3 Ohm region. I get an open circuit for the high voltage diode in series with the High voltage side of the transformer when measured with a multimeter. Is the DIODE BAD? I am getting some High voltage, but when I discharge the monitor it is a VERY WEAK spark, I compared it to another monitor and I'm sure it's way below what it should be. Also, the supply is generating the 90 and 400 volt supplies correctly. any tips? thanks, Dave. mailto:david.p.morrill@fairchildsemi.com From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 10:10:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:09:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34F1BAC9.780@links.magenta.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:07:05 -0700 From: Jess Askey Organization: The Audio Analyst/The Game Spot X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: HP 5004A docs needed. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Jess Askey Al Kossow wrote: > > " Anyone out there here docs for this little signature analyzer? I just > purchased one from a surplus place, and while it looks good and I can > probably figure it out it would be nice to find a copy of the manual. > " > > I could use a copy as well.. Anyone volunteer to scan in the manual(s)? I have a complete copy of the manual. What format would you like them in. If I scan them in at something big, can you (Al) convert them to .pdf for easier reading? Let me know how you want them scanned. jess -- Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * 509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 10:12:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:12:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:12:02 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: HP 5004A docs needed. Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) I can convert them to pdf. 300dpi, TIFF? From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 10:43:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:43:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:42:40 -0500 (EST) From: Mitchell Rohde To: vectorlist@spies.com cc: Al Kossow Subject: Re: HP 5004A docs needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Mitchell Rohde I vote PDF... so it's small and portable... mitch On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Al Kossow wrote: > I can convert them to pdf. 300dpi, TIFF? > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 10:53:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:52:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34F1C4E3.13FB@links.magenta.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:50:12 -0700 From: Jess Askey Organization: The Audio Analyst/The Game Spot X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: HP 5004A docs needed. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Jess Askey Al Kossow wrote: > > I can convert them to pdf. 300dpi, TIFF? Okay, I will scan them in tomorrow... my birthday party is tonight :-) jess -- Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * 509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 11:14:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:14:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Exorcisor on a chip Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:13:19 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > The problem is that this thing is a 44-pin PLCC package. To > mount > it to a PCB, it gets put into a sort of PLCC to PGA socket, and the > pins > are spaced pretty close together, so it's very hard to solder > individual > wires to them. In this prototype version, I bought a breadboard which > has > a PLCC socket mounted to it from my local electronics store, and I was > able to breadboard a design. > I got one of those adapters at Fry's for the 44 pin Lattice parts I use. There was two versions-- one was about $10, one was about $30. (I got the $10 one-- works fine.) I can sure layout a board for the thing easily enough if you want me to. You could also just program and sell the parts as a "do-it-yourself" and if someone decides they want to make some PCB's and resell a few that will help people that prefer a more "commercial" solution... -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 12:29:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:28:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:28:00 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Exorcisor on a chip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Clay Cowgill wrote: > I got one of those adapters at Fry's for the 44 pin Lattice parts I use. > There was two versions-- one was about $10, one was about $30. (I got > the $10 one-- works fine.) > > I can sure layout a board for the thing easily enough if you want me to. > You could also just program and sell the parts as a "do-it-yourself" and > if someone decides they want to make some PCB's and resell a few that > will help people that prefer a more "commercial" solution... > Since it doesn't seem like there's much interest at all, I think that's what I'm going to do. Meanwhile, I think I'm going to just use a Radio Shack type PCB and make all the connections with wires. Maybe I'll even wire-wrap it, I dunno... I want to try to make a layout and then etch the thing myself, but I don't think it would be easy to drill those holes for the 44-pin PGA-type socket. So, it looks like it's either professionally done, or wire-wrap, either of which works for me... Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 12:33:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:32:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:32:54 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: RE: Exorcisor on a chip Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) " So, it looks like it's either professionally done, or wire-wrap, either of which works for me... " I'd like to build one.. Could you put the schematic up somewhere (or just a netlist) From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 14:01:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:01:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:53:03 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: RE: Exorcisor on a chip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Al Kossow wrote: > I'd like to build one.. Could you put the schematic up somewhere (or just > a netlist) > Here's what I'm going to do. I will send Al the JEDEC file and the pinout (TXT file) to put up on spies and you can do whatever you want to do with it. If you can program MACH210 parts, then you're good to go. Just look at Dave Fish's schematic, and connect the outputs of the Mach to their proper pin on the DIP cables. Like I said, I sent the clock line off of the CPU board to a schmitt trigger (74xx14) to get the CLK and CLKb lines that the MACH needs: |\ |\ CPU clk ----| \o---CLKb---| \o-----CLK | / | / |/ |/ (Of course, those are Schmitt trigger inverters, so they should have the little hysterisis symbol in the middle, but I figured my ASCII art was bad enough without it...) Since the pinout is at home, I'll send that to Al tonight. If anyone has any questions about this, let me know... Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 14:58:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:57:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34F2020A.2A18@erols.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:11:06 -0500 From: Kev X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Exorcisor on a chip References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Kev jwelser@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu wrote: > > Here's what I'm going to do. I will send Al the JEDEC file and > the pinout (TXT file) to put up on spies and you can do whatever you want > to do with it. If you can program MACH210 parts, then you're good to go. > Just look at Dave Fish's schematic, and connect the outputs of the Mach to > their proper pin on the DIP cables. > > Since the pinout is at home, I'll send that to Al tonight. If > anyone has any questions about this, let me know... > > Joe Great!! This is one of those projects I'd like to play with but probably won't get to anytime soon but it is comforting to know that the info is there for us. Thanks Joe for being generous with your talents! Any interest on working on a Multi-Pac Man hardware/software switching device? -- Kev Looking for a few good PCBs! mowerman@erols.com REMOVE THE "?" FROM MY E-MAIL http://www.erols.com/mowerman <- Video game info page From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 15:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:32:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:32:01 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Exorcisor on a chip Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) Would someone (Dave?) do me a BIG favor and send me the two schematics which are postscript files as two "C' sized TIFF's? I spent the last hour trying to convince the laser printers around here to NOT print just 1/4 of them on an "A" sized sheet and have given up for now.. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 15:43:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:43:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:42:24 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Exorcisor on a chip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Al Kossow wrote: > Would someone (Dave?) do me a BIG favor and send me the two schematics > which are postscript files as two "C' sized TIFF's? I spent the last > hour trying to convince the laser printers around here to NOT print > just 1/4 of them on an "A" sized sheet and have given up for now.. > I messed around with it and got it to print on one page. I think I dumped the postscript of that messed around with image... Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 15:51:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:51:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:51:01 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Exorcisor on a chip Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) duh.. I just figured out how to do it; use GhostScript to generate a TIFF file from the Postscript.. I'll upload the TIFF's to spies.. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 20:36:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:35:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:34:42 -0500 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) Subject: Re: Exorcisor on a chip Cc: Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) At 22:06 2/22/98, wrote: > Of course, I can always do a run of PCBs for it, and whether this >is feasable or not depends on the interest level. The PCB will probably >be small and square, criteria which, I think, would make it relatively >cheap. Any advice from people who've done PCBs (Clay, Anders, etc) would >be good here.... I'm in for 2. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 20:48:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:47:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:47:29 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Exorcisor on a chip Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) I just sent a note to Joe that with a pin reassigment and placing the 3 sockets and the 7414 at each corner with the mach part in the center, you can do the layout on a 1 layer board: +- -+ +- -+ J1 J3 mach210 +- -+ +- -+ J2 pwr,gnd 7414 pins the ground wraps around the outer edge of the board, power and clocks go through the center.. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 21:38:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:38:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) X-Authentication-Warning: ux8.cso.uiuc.edu: j-buser owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:37:34 -0600 (CST) From: deep blue X-Sender: j-buser@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: newbie question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: deep blue hey im the new guy on the list, so hello everyone. i have a specific problem that maybe someone can help me with. A couple of months ago the screen blanked out on my otherwise mint asteroids arcade, and for some reason none of the local arcade techs are willing to help me out (or even take a look at it). About a week before the screen went completely out, it had dimmed while playing, and even had blanked out for a short time, but it soon recovered. Then, about a month ago now, the screen just never came on when i switched on the game. (the rest of the game works fine: sound, game plays fine, etc...) is this a familiar problem to anyone on this list? is it something as simple as a fuse or do i need to replace the whole screen perhaps? i have had advice to unsolder all the connections and then re-attach them, but the connections seem fine as far as i can tell, and i dont want to amplify any problem that might be otherwise easily solved. please save my baby! thanks so much. jack buser ___ __ __ ___ ___ __ university of illinois / __/__ \/ / / __/ __/__ \-------- electrical engineering / /_/ _/ / /_/ __/ /_/ _/ /------- colecostudios chi/miami |___\___/___/___/|___\___/------- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Feb 23 22:50:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:49:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:49:02 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: newbie question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, deep blue wrote: > is this a familiar problem to anyone on this list? is it something as > simple as a fuse or do i need to replace the whole screen perhaps? i have > had advice to unsolder all the connections and then re-attach them, but > the connections seem fine as far as i can tell, and i dont want to amplify > any problem that might be otherwise easily solved. > No to both. You don't need to replace your monitor, and it's probably not just a bad fuse (although it could be at this point.) The fact that you said it was first intermittant leads me to believe that it is a bad connection somewhere. The person who gave you advice to touch up all the solder joints gave you good advice, as this is what I'd try first.... Another common culprit of this is the connections on the High-Voltage diode becoming intermittant because of gunk, corrosion, etc. OR, that whole HV diode could've failed. The diode that I'm talking about is between the flyback and the anode of the picture tube. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then you'd best not fool with your monitor yourself -- let someone else repair it. You said that your local TV repair shop wouldn't touch it, so there are a few people on this list who do repairs (I'm one of them) but arrangements for this would be best discussed in private email. If you decide to repair it yourself, first read the sci.electronics.repair FAQ at www.repairfaq.org, specifically the sections that deal with TV repair, and how to discharge monitors safely. Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 06:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:09:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34F2D4D6.1EB7@fairchildsemi.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:10:30 -0500 From: Dave Morrill Organization: Fairchild Semiconductor, Portland, ME X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: asteroids deluxe HV prob Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Dave Morrill Hello all, My Asteroids Deluxe monitor has HV probs, would love some suggestions from you guys. It does generate HV, but when I discharge it the spark is so weak it's barely there. Screen is blank, deflection transistors and everything else checks out on the scope, so.... Here's what I know: HV supply pin out vs. measured voltage: 1 37.5 2 gnd 3 nc 4 97.2 5 95.8 6 410 7 nc 8 315 do these numbers look OK? The 20 ohm resistor in series with pin 1 in the HV supply was melted/broken off. the supply side of the transformer measures 0.6 ohms, the high voltage side measures 1956 ohms (before the hv diode). Is this thing smoked? Can I test the diode? anyone have schematics/debug tips? I'm pretty sure this is a G05-802, based on the HV pin out can someone confirm? Thanks, Dave. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 07:26:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:25:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:24:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@spies.com cc: Dave Morrill Subject: Re: asteroids deluxe HV prob In-Reply-To: <34F2D4D6.1EB7@fairchildsemi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Christopher X. Candreva" On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Dave Morrill wrote: > Hello all, > My Asteroids Deluxe monitor has HV probs, would love some suggestions > from you guys. It does generate HV, but when I discharge it the spark Assuming this is the Electrohome G-05 as in regular Asteroids, the manual in pdf format is available from http://www.nwfl.net/haynesdl/ . ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 09:02:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:01:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: "Ozdemir, Steve" To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Exorcisor on a chip Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:02:21 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Ozdemir, Steve" G'day folks, Maybe I'm not follow this discussion, but let me ask. By using several connectors and a 7414 at the corners of the boards (resulting in a single layer board), does that make this PCB cheaper to produce? The obvious answer is "Yes, Steve." So my next question is, "Does this change also eliminate the need for drilling (or simplify the drilling to be just the pattern for socket/connectors/IC pads)?" I'm trying to understand if the new layout has made the PCB cheap enough that we'll have more demand for it or need less people to make a production run of it. I guess I also don't understand how single layer boards affect cost/drilling? Maybe Al's implying that because the board is single layered that it is more easily etched by hand rather than created in a production run? Steven S Ozdemir sso@plpt.com (my company renamed itself in Feb) sso@dsc.com (good for a few more months) ozdemir@xenon.stanford.edu (permanent...weekly) ps - If power and clock have to come through the center of the board, that implies some drilling. >---------- >From: aek@plpt.com[SMTP:aek@plpt.com] >Sent: Monday, February 23, 1998 8:47 PM >To: vectorlist@spies.com >Cc: aek@ns1.plpt.com >Subject: Re: Exorcisor on a chip > >I just sent a note to Joe that with a pin reassigment and placing the >3 sockets and the 7414 at each corner with the mach part in the center, >you can do the layout on a 1 layer board: > >+- -+ +- -+ >J1 J3 > > mach210 > > >+- -+ +- -+ >J2 pwr,gnd 7414 > > pins > >the ground wraps around the outer edge of the board, >power and clocks go through the center.. > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 09:23:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:22:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:22:29 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: RE: Exorcisor on a chip Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) I can have someone here at work make a small number of single sided boards free. I just did a rough layout, and everything works on a 1 sided board with no jumpers. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 11:09:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:09:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Exorcisor on a chip Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:08:23 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > Maybe I'm not follow this discussion, but let me ask. By using > several > connectors and a 7414 at the corners of the boards (resulting in a > single layer board), does that make this PCB cheaper to produce? > > The obvious answer is "Yes, Steve." > Yes, in some production runs (depending on the boards material) but more importantly it gives the "etch it yourself" crowd a much better chance of success with the board. > So my next question is, "Does this change also eliminate the need for > drilling (or simplify the drilling to be just the pattern for > socket/connectors/IC pads)?" I'm trying to understand if the new > layout > has made the PCB cheap enough that we'll have more demand for it or > need > less people to make a production run of it. > In this case you're probably offsetting any cost benefits of a single layer board by taking up a lot more square inches. Not a big deal if you just bought a 6"x9" PCB to etch yourself, but in production square inches = $$$. If someone wants to mass produce it you're better off with a 2-layer "as small as you can cram it into" design. If you're going to sell 100,000 a month for $9.95 you'd want to look at through-hold components on single-layer phenolic built in China... > I guess I also don't understand how single layer boards affect > cost/drilling? Maybe Al's implying that because the board is single > layered that it is more easily etched by hand rather than created in a > production run? > Single layer is cheaper than double layer in production because you will generally use cheaper materials to make the PCB's. (Phenolic or treated cardboard instead of FR4 fiberglass.) Drill time is (for small runs) usually counted in drill hits, but depending on what/where you do things it can be MORE expensive to have fewer holes over a large area vs. fewer holes in a small area. (Time it takes to position the drill head.) Changing drill bits more than a couple times per board is spendy too. Someone can just layout a single-layer design, save it as a 300DPI TIFF (or whatever) for 1:1 printing on a 300DPI laser printer and then anyone can print it on transfer film and make their own PCB... -Clay > Steven S Ozdemir > sso@plpt.com (my company renamed itself in Feb) > sso@dsc.com (good for a few more months) > ozdemir@xenon.stanford.edu (permanent...weekly) > > ps - If power and clock have to come through the center of the board, > that implies some drilling. > > > > >---------- > >From: aek@plpt.com[SMTP:aek@plpt.com] > >Sent: Monday, February 23, 1998 8:47 PM > >To: vectorlist@spies.com > >Cc: aek@ns1.plpt.com > >Subject: Re: Exorcisor on a chip > > > >I just sent a note to Joe that with a pin reassigment and placing the > >3 sockets and the 7414 at each corner with the mach part in the > center, > >you can do the layout on a 1 layer board: > > > >+- -+ +- -+ > >J1 J3 > > > > mach210 > > > > > >+- -+ +- -+ > >J2 pwr,gnd 7414 > > > > pins > > > >the ground wraps around the outer edge of the board, > >power and clocks go through the center.. > > > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 11:14:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:14:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:14:16 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: RE: Exorcisor on a chip Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) "Someone can just layout a single-layer design, save it as a 300DPI TIFF (or whatever) for 1:1 printing on a 300DPI laser printer and then anyone can print it on transfer film and make their own PCB... " I finished the placement this morning, and Joe forwarded me a new mach file with the rearranged pinout. I gave the layout to someone who does 1 sided protos about an hour ago, so I may have a board in a day or so. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 16:11:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:11:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: HP 5004A docs needed. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:48:42 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > Okay, I will scan them in tomorrow... my birthday party is tonight :-) > jess > Happy Birthday, Jess! :-) (Is it actually the 23rd? Mine too. :-) I got an interesting piece of test equipment this weekend. It's an older Beckman o'scope. (A 9020 model number I believe.) 20MHz, nicely built-- but with a really cool little bonus: it has one of those "tracker" style component testers built in! There's a separate pair of BNC jacks built in that you just plug DMM-type leads into and the 'scope displays the "signature" of the part onscreen. Cool addition to hacker-test benches. Keep you eyes out for one. Incidentally, I see on the back cover of the Tucker electronics catalog that Tek is now selling its owe Huntron Tracker add-on for any 'scope for $995. (Tons of options on the Tek one of course.) Do any of you know where I might find some more information about what various "signature" actually *mean*. (So if a sideways "L" from a diode starts to have some "curl" on the end does than mean a leaky diode? Stuff like that...) -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 17:09:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:09:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:09:18 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: uExorcisor layout up Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) the net was down for a couple of hours to spies.. http://www.spies.com/arcade/schematics/cineEx/cineexlayout.tiff It's low resolution, but you should get the idea. I should have 4 boards tomorrow morning. One thing I was wondering is the grounds on the unused pins. I put them on, but you aren't going to be able to use crimp on 16 pin headers directly without cutting the ground leads at the end going onto the cine CPU board. Here are how the headers match up on the cine CPU side: D8 F4-6 (proceed/) 1 16 * D14-6 (ds0) 2 15 * L11-1 H14-10 (ready/) 3 14 * I8-3 J14-11 * 4 13 I14-11 (branch/) J14-10 * 5 12 S9-4 (a0) 6 11 * E10-7 A10-6 7 10 * A10-1 B12-6 8 9 * A10-12 U14 U11-12 1 16 * S13-3 T11-4 2 15 * S13-18 U11-9 3 14 * S13-4 T11-7 4 13 * S13-17 U11-7 5 12 * S13-7 T11-9 6 11 * S13-14 U11-4 7 10 * S13-8 T11-12 8 9 * S13-13 DIP CLIPS N2-9 * 1 16 * N2-12 N2-4 * 2 15 * N2-7 R2-9 * 3 14 * R2-12 R2-4 * 4 13 * R2-7 T2-9 * 5 12 * T2-12 T2-4 * 6 11 * T2-7 N2-8 * 7 10 * gnd lug R2-8 * 8 9 * T2-8 '*' are the signals driven by the pattern generator It might be handy to add this to the back of the Exorsisor manual, Dave.. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 18:46:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:45:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34F38530.1BF0@links.magenta.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:42:56 -0700 From: Jess Askey Organization: The Audio Analyst/The Game Spot X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: HP5004 Scanning process References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Jess Askey Well I sat down to do some of the scanning tonight and I think I have hit a brick wall. I started each page at 600dpi greyscale and the resulting .tiff for one page was about 31MB. The manual that I have copies from is approx. 80 pages . A bit big for me and also my slow 28.8 connection. If someone else who has better access or scanning abilities on a faster computer (these images completely slay my poor ol' P-90) would want to do this, I can send the manual 2-day express to you for scanning. Al, do you want to do this? Anyone?? Help!!?? :-0 jess -- Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * 509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 18:49:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:49:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:49:40 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: HP5004 Scanning process Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) If someone has an original manual, I could scan it in... From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 18:52:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:52:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:52:09 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: updated PC layout Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) i've just uploaded the final layout that went out to be etched tonight same url as the first time http://www.spies.com/arcade/schematics/cineEx/cineexlayout.tiff I also uploaded two TIFF files of the schematics for the original exorcisor and cables for 8.5 x 11 paper. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Feb 24 19:51:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:51:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34F39486.4C90@links.magenta.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:48:22 -0700 From: Jess Askey Organization: The Audio Analyst/The Game Spot X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: HP5004 Scanning process References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Jess Askey Al Kossow wrote: > > If someone has an original manual, I could scan it in... Mine is a copy but just say the word and I can send it to you. It is pretty good, the schematics in the back are bad however. jess -- Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * 509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 25 04:22:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:22:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Dangerwil@aol.com Message-ID: <2eb2fee0.34f40cb9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:21:11 EST To: vectorlist@spies.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Vector 3d?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Dangerwil@aol.com I had a crazy idea. I was looking at an old Subroc 3d in Tampa this weekend and wondered if a vector monitor could draw 3d images?? You know the ones with those red/blue images and the crappy carboard glasses. Anybody have any ideas about it??? Bill From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 25 04:33:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:32:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:32:42 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Vector 3d?? Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) "I had a crazy idea. I was looking at an old Subroc 3d in Tampa this weekend and wondered if a vector monitor could draw 3d images??" Well, the SubRoc uses alternate frame left/right eye images with a rotating shutter, but, yes you could draw red/blue images and displace them slightly to do pseudo 3D effects. You would have to do a lot of pre calculated data to get it to run on old game hardware, but a modern CPU would be more than capable of keeping up. You could simulate the whole thing on a raster display using anti-aliased vector drawing code to try it out... From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 25 06:40:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:40:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Paul Kahler Message-Id: <199802251442.JAA24861@saturn.acs.oakland.edu> Subject: Re: Vector 3d?? To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:42:27 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <2eb2fee0.34f40cb9@aol.com> from "Dangerwil@aol.com" at Feb 25, 98 07:21:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Paul Kahler > I had a crazy idea. I was looking at an old Subroc 3d in Tampa this weekend > and wondered if a vector monitor could draw 3d images?? You know the ones > with those red/blue images and the crappy carboard glasses. > > Anybody have any ideas about it??? I suspect you'd have trouble with ghost lines because the cheapo glasses won't filter out the other color completely. The edge detectors in the eyes are extremely sensitive and thats all you get with vectors. BTW, I'm still convinced that part of the "look" of vector displays is due to heavy activation of the edge detectors in the eye with no colored-in surfaces which is very unusual to see. -- ___ __ _ _ _ | \ / \ | | | || | phkahler@oakland.edu Engineer/Programmer | _/| || || |_| || |__ " What makes someone care so much? |_| |_||_| \___/ |____) for things another man can just ignore. " -S.H. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 25 14:15:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:15:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199802251955.NAA24459@fermat.mayo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) In-Reply-To: <34F2020A.2A18@erols.com> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.0b5) From: Ray Ghanbari Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 13:58:25 -0600 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Exorcisor on a chip References: <34F2020A.2A18@erols.com> Organization: Mayo Foundation Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Ray Ghanbari You wrote: > Thanks Joe for being generous with your talents! Any interest on > working on a Multi-Pac Man hardware/software switching device? There are a couple people thnking about working on this. I'd suggest a public post before starting the project. Who ever does it, sign me up for 10 ;-) Ray From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 25 14:23:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:23:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Dangerwil@aol.com Message-ID: <7ab2a987.34f49994@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:21:27 EST To: vectorlist@spies.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Vector 3d?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Dangerwil@aol.com In a message dated 98-02-25 07:32:29 EST, you write: > but a modern CPU would be more than > capable of keeping up. You could simulate the whole thing on a raster > display > using anti-aliased vector drawing code to try it out... > O.K. so it might just work, now here is where we go into the twilight zone. What if you set this up in a Hologram Time Traveler cabinet, so that it reflected into the special mirror? It would have to look pretty cool, even without trying to make it 3d. Far beyond what they did with the Nintendo Virtua Boy. Bill From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 25 14:30:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:30:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Danger wil Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:29:21 EST To: vectorlist@spies.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 2N6259 cross?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Danger wil All, I know that a couple of people have been looking for a good cross for the 2n6259 used in the Electrohome GO8 monitor. Anybody come up with a source? I am building a Sega multigame and I am reminded of that old Tootsie roll pop commercial with the owl.... How many fuses does it take to build a Zektor? The world may never know :: ( I found a couple of NOS ones at a local distributor, but had to pay $12.25 each. Since I would like to build up a small backup supply, now seems to be the time. Thanks, Bill From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 25 16:12:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:11:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) X-CriticalPath-Sent: 26 Feb 1998 00:10:07 GMT Message-ID: <34F4B227.6904@netconx.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:07:03 -0600 From: Todd Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: 2N6259 cross?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Todd Miller Danger wil wrote: > I know that a couple of people have been looking for a good cross for the > 2n6259 used in the Electrohome GO8 monitor. Anybody come up with a source? > I rebuilt my G08 this fall. I used MJ15003's from MCM, I think they were around $5-6. So far so good...I usually run it for a few hours at a time. They do run hot after that, but my machine is also in my cool basement, which this time of year the temps around 55-60. How about a source for the non-inductive power resitors ? -- Thanks Todd http://www.netconx.net/~litterbox From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Feb 25 19:20:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:20:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980225192058.00519b70@u1.netgate.net> X-Sender: grigsby@u1.netgate.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:20:58 -0800 To: vectorlist@spies.com From: The Grigsbeast Subject: Re: Vector 3d?? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: The Grigsbeast >You would have to do a lot of pre calculated data >to get it to run on old game hardware, but a modern CPU would be more than >capable of keeping up. You could simulate the whole thing on a raster display >using anti-aliased vector drawing code to try it out... Shutter glasses would be extra-cool with a vector monitor. Just think -- with the extra CPU we have these days you could draw 3d _curves_. Yow! Plus you could sort the display list in real-time for optimum vector drawing instead of simply returning to 0 after every shape, giving you effectively much more line length per frame. // grigs From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 06:34:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:33:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Paul Kahler Message-Id: <199802261435.JAA29218@saturn.acs.oakland.edu> Subject: Re: Vector 3d?? To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:35:35 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <7ab2a987.34f49994@aol.com> from "Dangerwil@aol.com" at Feb 25, 98 05:21:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Paul Kahler > > O.K. so it might just work, now here is where we go into the twilight zone. > What if you set this up in a Hologram Time Traveler cabinet, so that it > reflected into the special mirror? It would have to look pretty cool, even > without trying to make it 3d. Did you ever work for Atari? I think you're on the same stuff they were :-) BTW, it's a spherical mirror. That might look really cool, but you really need to draw more lines for 3D objects, plus in the HTT cabinet you'd need to draw the "reflections" under all the objects. I like that idea! I also think it'd be cool to do a game using that TI thing with the rotating helical surface and the lasers... I'm really starting to see that "vectorlist" is not so much about games that happen to have vector displays - it's really about the *displays* -- ___ __ _ _ _ | \ / \ | | | || | phkahler@oakland.edu Engineer/Programmer | _/| || || |_| || |__ " What makes someone care so much? |_| |_||_| \___/ |____) for things another man can just ignore. " -S.H. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 09:47:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:47:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: "Ozdemir, Steve" To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Vector 3d?? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:48:17 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Ozdemir, Steve" >---------- >From: Paul Kahler[SMTP:phkahler@Oakland.edu] >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 1998 6:35 AM >To: vectorlist@spies.com >Cc: Paul Kahler >Subject: Re: Vector 3d?? > > >I'm really starting to see that "vectorlist" is not so much about games >that happen to have vector displays - it's really about the *displays* G'day Paul (and folks), That's why I'm here....I wanna see that new universal vector monitor developed (preferably for under $500)! Steven S Ozdemir sso@plpt.com (my company renamed itself in Feb) sso@dsc.com (good for a few more months) ozdemir@xenon.stanford.edu (permanent...weekly) >-- > ___ __ _ _ _ >| \ / \ | | | || | phkahler@oakland.edu Engineer/Programmer >| _/| || || |_| || |__ " What makes someone care so much? >|_| |_||_| \___/ |____) for things another man can just ignore. " -S.H. > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 09:54:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:54:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:54:07 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: RE: Vector 3d?? Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) >I'm really starting to see that "vectorlist" is not so much about games >that happen to have vector displays - it's really about the *displays* Well, since this is an unmoderated mailing list, off topic posts happen. The focus of this list is the discussion of the technical aspects of arcade vector games, maintanance, and sometimes it drifts off into 'blue sky' things like vector generators for PC's and things like 3D. Fortunately, no one has mentioned Vectrex's yet :-) An update on the Exorcisor. I had the 44 pin PLCC pinout wrong, so I'll have to get some more boards made. I'll have a cut/jumped board finished later today. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 09:59:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:59:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:58:43 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Exorcisor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: How far off is the pinout? I can try to re-arrange the pins so that you don't have to cut/jumper anything. Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 10:04:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:04:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:04:34 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Exorcisor Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) the grounds are off by one, which goofs up the ground plane. I would guess I may have new boards by the weekend. Did you use MachXL for progrmaming the part? I had an idea for a parallel port flash rom programmer and needed a way to program a couple of mach210s. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 10:09:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:09:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:08:56 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Exorcisor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Al Kossow wrote: > the grounds are off by one, which goofs up the ground plane. I would > guess I may have new boards by the weekend. Did you use MachXL for > progrmaming the part? I had an idea for a parallel port flash rom > programmer and needed a way to program a couple of mach210s. > I used PALASM. MachXL is the same thing, different "GUI" and would work fine. I've worked with PALASM in the past, so it was just an issue of interface familiarity. I think MACHXL is the current;y supported version, and has support for the latest and greatest MACH devices.... Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 10:29:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:29:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34F5B3A1.3310@links.magenta.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:25:37 -0700 From: Jess Askey Organization: The Audio Analyst/The Game Spot X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Vector 3d?? (poor humor ahead!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Jess Askey > >---------- > >From: Paul Kahler[SMTP:phkahler@Oakland.edu] > >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 1998 6:35 AM > >To: vectorlist@spies.com > >Cc: Paul Kahler > >Subject: Re: Vector 3d?? > > > > > >I'm really starting to see that "vectorlist" is not so much about games > >that happen to have vector displays - it's really about the *displays* My friend used to summarize his love for vector games a bit differently but basically it came to this... They tend to give me my own vector... in my pants!!! Ha! :-) Sorry for the crudeness, I couln't resist. ;-) Jess -- Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * 509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 10:57:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:57:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Vector 3d?? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:56:28 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > Fortunately, no one has mentioned Vectrex's yet :-) > Aaiiiigh! Al spoke the words! Pandora's box has been opened!!! Zonn and I used to argue about Vectrex stuff a lot. I don't recall where though... Maybe rec.games.vectrex? I was kinda thinking about trying to hook up a Vectrex to a G05 with the display corrector and se what it'd look like. Too many projects... -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 12:49:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:49:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Paul Kahler Message-Id: <199802262051.PAA06077@saturn.acs.oakland.edu> Subject: Re: Vector 3d?? To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:51:49 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Clay Cowgill" at Feb 26, 98 10:56:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Paul Kahler > > Fortunately, no one has mentioned Vectrex's yet :-) > > > Aaiiiigh! Al spoke the words! Pandora's box has been opened!!! Actually, half the vectrex games are rip-offs of Cinematronics games so which would you rather talk about? > Zonn and I used to argue about Vectrex stuff a lot. I don't recall > where though... Maybe rec.games.vectrex? I was kinda thinking about > trying to hook up a Vectrex to a G05 with the display corrector and se > what it'd look like. Too many projects... Are those correctors done? Did I miss it? Was I being stupid that day? Just provide the corretor, I'll do the experiment. -- ___ __ _ _ _ | \ / \ | | | || | phkahler@oakland.edu Engineer/Programmer | _/| || || |_| || |__ " What makes someone care so much? |_| |_||_| \___/ |____) for things another man can just ignore. " -S.H. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 12:58:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:58:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Danger wil Message-ID: <61891d76.34f5d731@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:57:19 EST To: vectorlist@spies.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Danger wil Hey, O.k. I got the Go8 back up and running, everything wired into place, the multi game runs, coin switches wired in....... I need some help with getting a Tempest encoder to work with the spinner games in the G80 multi game. I talked to one friend and he suggested that perhaps the signal gain of the Atari encoder was not high enough. He thought that lowering the value of the resistors on the main board, to the CLK and DIR lines should solve the problem. The game works perfectly with a Sega spinner but the Tempest will only spin jerkily in one direction. Yes I did notice that the DIR and CLK lines are reversed for the different manufacturers. Thanks, Bill From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 14:16:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:16:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Vector 3d?? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:15:07 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > > Zonn and I used to argue about Vectrex stuff a lot. I don't recall > > where though... Maybe rec.games.vectrex? I was kinda thinking about > > trying to hook up a Vectrex to a G05 with the display corrector and > se > > what it'd look like. Too many projects... > > Are those correctors done? Did I miss it? Was I being stupid that day? > Just provide the corretor, I'll do the experiment. > I still only have the one display corrector on a big breadboard. I did a layout for a board with surface mount op-amps and MC1495's and all through-hole resistors but I got trapped on the last trace so I need to work on it some more. :-( (Stupid SOIC's are too small to route between the pins unless you pay for ungodly expensive PCBs...) The board's pretty damn small at least (most of the space is for the pots). I included the Sega XY level convertors too... I want to run some prototypes of it, but work's been keeping me busy. -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 14:22:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:22:23 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: RE: Vector 3d?? Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) "The board's pretty damn small at least (most of the space is for the pots). I included the Sega XY level convertors too... I want to run some prototypes of it, but work's been keeping me busy. " ..I know the feeling, I've been trying to get in the lab all day to modify the Excorcisor board. I forgot to mention how tiny the final board is (it's about 2" x 2.5")... with 3/4 of it for the 3 16pin DIP headers and the 74ACT14 From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 15:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:22:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: Board tester board... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:21:07 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill So a while back I brought up the idea to make a "universal" test board for working on game PCB's. The idea was to make something that would plug into a game board directly (56 pin, 44 pin, or 36 pin) and provide a simple connection to a PC power supply; provide lots of test points for jumpering; have a small onboard audio amp; provide "standard" connectors for control/video/audio connections; lots of taps for +5, +-12, etc. We kicked around other ideas like adding color inversion for Nintendo-type audio outputs, sync combination (select positive/negative/composite), and stuff like level convertors for different types of vector games. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA +------------------+ | | <-- card edge adapter ------------------ | | | | | | <-- test connector board | | | PWR RGB CONT AUD | +------------------+ A = 56, 44, or 36 pin .156" connector PWR = .156" power connector post to match PC-AT power supply RGB = DB-9 pin connector CONT = DB-25 pin connector (two joysticks, six buttons, p1/p2 start, coins, etc) AUD = onboard speaker and amp, headphone jack output for amplified "computer" type speakers. So you just plug it into the cardedge of a board and use little alligator-clip jumpers to connect your voltages, controls, and signals where needed. It's not exactly an "innovation" or anything, I just think it'd be a much nicer (for me anyway) way of testing "unknown" boards. The thing I can't decide is how to do the test points. I want to have at least 3 or 4 points on each trace coming off the connector so that you have plenty of posts to connect aligator clips to when testing. Do you think that standard .1" header posts are good enough? Maybe on .2" spacing? (So I'm thinking of getting 8 pin DIP headers, removing every other pin to make room for clips, and putting one of those on each trace from the edge connector.) Heavier "posts" (like Atari's test points) are comparitively spendy and take up a lot of PCB space. If anyone of you have input I'd like to hear it... -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 15:49:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:49:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:49:28 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Board tester board... Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) .1" rows .2" apart should work, and pin strips are cheap From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 15:53:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:52:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: "Ozdemir, Steve" To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Board tester board... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:53:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Ozdemir, Steve" G'day folks, One thing caught my eye about Clay's latest project. It looks like a part that I might find useful for "conversions". With A-B-C-D boxes for DB-25 readily available, I've always dreamed of making a JAMMA cabinet to handle 16 different JAMMA games with five A-B-C-D boxes wired in a two tier heirarchy where on box feeds the rest. Power and audio probably shouldn't be routed through these switches with the other signals, so Clay's design fits very nicely this approach. Maybe I'd need a second set of switches (or relays run off of the DB-25 connector's selection) to switch power and audio (and RGB also, I guess). One comment...many modern JAMMA games use an additional connector (for the extra buttons). Not sure how you'd handle that in Clay's project? Is this feature creep? 8^) 8^) 8^) Steven S Ozdemir sso@plpt.com (my company renamed itself in Feb) sso@dsc.com (good for a few more months) ozdemir@xenon.stanford.edu (permanent...weekly) >---------- >From: Clay Cowgill[SMTP:ClayC@diamondmm.com] >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 1998 3:21 PM >To: 'vectorlist@spies.com' >Cc: Clay Cowgill >Subject: Board tester board... > >So a while back I brought up the idea to make a "universal" test board >for working on game PCB's. > >The idea was to make something that would plug into a game board >directly (56 pin, 44 pin, or 36 pin) and provide a simple connection to >a PC power supply; provide lots of test points for jumpering; have a >small onboard audio amp; provide "standard" connectors for >control/video/audio connections; lots of taps for +5, +-12, etc. > >We kicked around other ideas like adding color inversion for >Nintendo-type audio outputs, sync combination (select >positive/negative/composite), and stuff like level convertors for >different types of vector games. > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > +------------------+ > | | <-- card edge adapter > ------------------ > | | > | | > | | <-- test connector board > | | > | PWR RGB CONT AUD | > +------------------+ > >A = 56, 44, or 36 pin .156" connector >PWR = .156" power connector post to match PC-AT power supply >RGB = DB-9 pin connector >CONT = DB-25 pin connector (two joysticks, six buttons, p1/p2 start, >coins, etc) >AUD = onboard speaker and amp, headphone jack output for amplified > "computer" type speakers. > >So you just plug it into the cardedge of a board and use little >alligator-clip jumpers to connect your voltages, controls, and signals >where needed. It's not exactly an "innovation" or anything, I just >think it'd be a much nicer (for me anyway) way of testing "unknown" >boards. > >The thing I can't decide is how to do the test points. I want to have >at least 3 or 4 points on each trace coming off the connector so that >you have plenty of posts to connect aligator clips to when testing. Do >you think that standard .1" header posts are good enough? Maybe on .2" >spacing? (So I'm thinking of getting 8 pin DIP headers, removing every >other pin to make room for clips, and putting one of those on each trace > from the edge connector.) Heavier "posts" (like Atari's test points) >are comparitively spendy and take up a lot of PCB space. > >If anyone of you have input I'd like to hear it... > >-Clay > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 15:53:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:53:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:53:10 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Board tester board... Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) "So you just plug it into the cardedge of a board and use little alligator-clip jumpers to connect your voltages," berg square pins, with crimp connectors work great for jumpers on .025 posts (they use them in RS232 breakout boxes..) you could use those for all the low voltage wiring. you'd probably want to use something heavier for the power/ground leads :-) From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 15:53:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:53:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Board tester board... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:54:20 GMT Message-ID: <34f60005.17703985@tommy.doctord.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:21:07 -0800, Clay Cowgill = wrote: >The thing I can't decide is how to do the test points. I want to have >at least 3 or 4 points on each trace coming off the connector so that >you have plenty of posts to connect aligator clips to when testing. Do >you think that standard .1" header posts are good enough? Maybe on .2" >spacing? (So I'm thinking of getting 8 pin DIP headers, removing every >other pin to make room for clips, and putting one of those on each trace > from the edge connector.) Heavier "posts" (like Atari's test points) >are comparitively spendy and take up a lot of PCB space. Instead of 8 pin DIP headers, how about inverted 8 pin wirewrap sockets? = (Mount the socket under the board with the wire wrap pins sticking up from the = bottom, same cutting every other one deal). It's the same idea as yours, but the wire wrap posts are thicker and will= take more abuse. -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn @ zonn . com -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 15:57:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:56:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:56:54 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Board tester board... Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) "Instead of 8 pin DIP headers, how about inverted 8 pin wirewrap sockets?" you can buy strips of .025 pins on .1" centers. that's what I used for the wires that go to the 5004 (no clips required, the .025 plugs that the clips connect to on the pod fit on the pin strip directly) From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 15:57:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:57:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Vector 3d?? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:58:03 GMT Message-ID: <34f700de.17921102@tommy.doctord.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:56:28 -0800, Clay Cowgill = wrote: > >> Fortunately, no one has mentioned Vectrex's yet :-) >>=20 >Aaiiiigh! Al spoke the words! Pandora's box has been opened!!! > >Zonn and I used to argue about Vectrex stuff a lot. I don't recall >where though... Maybe rec.games.vectrex? I was kinda thinking about >trying to hook up a Vectrex to a G05 with the display corrector and se >what it'd look like. Too many projects... After we both had a better understanding of how an integrator works there= was nothing left to argue about. (Clay's concept of what the Vectrex was = doing was closer than mine!) But I'm sure we could get some other heated discussion going if we gave = it half a try! ;^) -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn @ zonn . com -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 15:57:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:57:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:56:35 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > O.k. I got the Go8 back up and running, everything wired into > place, the > multi game runs, coin switches wired in....... I need some help with > getting > a Tempest encoder to work with the spinner games in the G80 multi > game. > > I talked to one friend and he suggested that perhaps the signal > gain of the > Atari encoder was not high enough. He thought that lowering the > value of the > resistors on the main board, to the CLK and DIR lines should solve the > problem. > > The game works perfectly with a Sega spinner but the Tempest will > only spin > jerkily in one direction. Yes I did notice that the DIR and CLK lines > are > reversed for the different manufacturers. > If you don't have this working before the weekend let me know and I'll pull a Tempest spinner from my cabinet and tinker with it some. The 2.2K resistors on the replacement spinner board might be too much. (Is that what you mean by "main board"?) IF the Tempest spinner is actually outputting CLK and DIR though, you'll need to take a couple taps off directly from the quadrature outputs. The Sega Board is expecting quadrature inputs, not CLK and DIR. -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 16:00:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:00:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Board tester board... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:59:35 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > Instead of 8 pin DIP headers, how about inverted 8 pin wirewrap > sockets? (Mount > the socket under the board with the wire wrap pins sticking up from > the bottom, > same cutting every other one deal). > > It's the same idea as yours, but the wire wrap posts are thicker and > will take > more abuse. > Hmmmm. I like that idea a lot. I'll have to checkout the price. I was a little worried that the .1" headers would be too wimpy. I could go with the posts from .156" connectors (like PC power supplies connect to), but they're pretty damn big and you might be able to get enough leverage on one to break the PCB before the pin would bend. I wonder if long-pin WW sockets are expensive... -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 16:06:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:06:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Board tester board... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:05:35 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > "So you just plug it into the cardedge of a board and use little > alligator-clip jumpers to connect your voltages," > > berg square pins, with crimp connectors work great for jumpers > on .025 posts (they use them in RS232 breakout boxes..) > I was figuring I'd use those myself... I have *no* desire of making a bunch of them at a time for "production" though. ;-) They also fit nicely onto those "micro clips" for logic analyzers and on those DIP test clips... > you could use those for all the low voltage wiring. > > you'd probably want to use something heavier for the power/ground > leads :-) > Or use two or three per bus. I run entire Star Wars boardsets off a single aligator-clip connection to the +5 test point on the AVG board. As long as you don't run for a long time it's pretty OK. (20ga wire w/ aligator clips might get a little warm though... ;-) "Long time" is slightly relative of course... -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 16:09:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:09:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Board tester board... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:08:03 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > you can buy strips of .025 pins on .1" centers. that's > what I used for the wires that go to the 5004 (no clips > required, the .025 plugs that the clips connect to on > the pod fit on the pin strip directly) > Got a part number and/or vendor for the ones you used handy? Will you send it to me? :-) I'd like to get either single-pins that I can press-fit before soldering, or something on some sort of "header". Soldering single pins that are smaller than the hole they're going into is a real pain in the... -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 16:38:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:37:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:37:50 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: RE: Board tester board... Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) They're made by Molex. You can get them in strips. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 16:55:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:55:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) X-CriticalPath-Sent: 27 Feb 1998 00:53:59 GMT Message-ID: <34F60DF0.3E6B@netconx.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:50:56 -0600 From: Todd Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder References: <61891d76.34f5d731@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Todd Miller Danger wil wrote: > > Hey, > > O.k. I got the Go8 back up and running, everything wired into place, the > multi game runs, coin switches wired in....... I need some help with getting > a Tempest encoder to work with the spinner games in the G80 multi game. > > I talked to one friend and he suggested that perhaps the signal gain of the > Atari encoder was not high enough. He thought that lowering the value of the > resistors on the main board, to the CLK and DIR lines should solve the > problem. > > The game works perfectly with a Sega spinner but the Tempest will only spin > jerkily in one direction. Yes I did notice that the DIR and CLK lines are > reversed for the different manufacturers. > I just finished my custom CP for the multi-game a few days ago. Using the Tempest spinner & Clay's single player interface worked fine for me. I does seem a little more sensitive...but I'v never played these games before. If you spin it real fast, you do get get a stalling effect, like you describe. Here's how I hooked it up to the single player interface; pin 1 on P30 -->dir pin 2 on P30 -->neg pin 3 on P30 -->+5v pin 4 on P30 -->clk pin 5-rest...-->fire,thrust,warp,etc.. looking at the bottom of Tempest spinner, shaft pointing away from you & with the 4 pin conn at the left; 4 pin conn-->dir 4 pin conn-->+5v 4 pin conn-->neg 4 pin conn-->clk I hope this helps. -- Thanks Todd http://www.netconx.net/~litterbox From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 18:42:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:42:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:42:03 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: exorcisor update Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: aek (Al Kossow) I did the cut/jumps and the Mach part is generating all the right signals on the expected pins. I should have a few boards tomorrow morning. With a 10MHz input clock (what should the clock be?) all the signatures are correct, and current consumption is around 100mA. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 26 19:31:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:31:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Danger wil Message-ID: <53a21bf1.34f63354@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:30:25 EST To: vectorlist@spies.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Danger wil Holy Smokes, Batman what happened to the Eliminator???? I just played a game on the multi system and man those colors are great. No pharmacy needed. Did Clay add them, or is this another version of the program? Way way better than the vanilla version that I just converted. Bill From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 08:33:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:32:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:31:07 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > Holy Smokes, Batman what happened to the Eliminator???? I just > played a game > on the multi system and man those colors are great. No pharmacy > needed. Did > Clay add them, or is this another version of the program? > Wasn't me! I just messed with the control code! > Way way better than the vanilla version that I just converted. > Interesting... Yet more ROM variations? -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 08:45:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:44:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison@cig.mot.com ) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:43:33 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9802271043.ZM27957@calcite> In-Reply-To: Clay Cowgill "RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder" (Feb 27, 8:31am) References: X-face: "@9[FFAftX<9}2=gaPlIyRv_K%h[>.@"8t}B2So!iv.\#M9NplA9bDudBQ|]E`WL9Kd,Tn2v.0OGcE<$yg{&}(m:mB\GO9L+yE}6=d17BM X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Mark Jenison On Feb 27, 8:31am, Clay Cowgill wrote: > Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder > > Holy Smokes, Batman what happened to the Eliminator???? I just > > played a game > > on the multi system and man those colors are great. No pharmacy > > needed. Did > > Clay add them, or is this another version of the program? > > > Wasn't me! I just messed with the control code! Are you talking about the Eliminator (rock) itself changing colors? > > Way way better than the vanilla version that I just converted. > > > Interesting... Yet more ROM variations? I know there are at least 2 for the upright version. Someone sent me a copy at one point, but I can't remember what I did with it. Never did try it out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison@cig.mot.com Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 11:25:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:25:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:24:27 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@goonsquad.spies.com Subject: Go5 Transistors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: So, I'm working on a few G05s, and I've got a few questions, hopefully someone can help me out with... Has anybody ever seen TIS98 transistors used in the deflection amps of those? The manual says that that is the replacement transistor, but I've only ever seen TPS98 transistors on the actual board. I found a bunch of TIS98 transistors, so I hope they will work. TIS98 and TPS98 cross to different NTE/ECG part numbers, so that's why I'm a little concerned... Also, does anybody know a good source for MPS-U07 transistors? MCM has them for like $2 a pop, but that's not much (if at all) cheaper then their NTE/ECG replacement. Since I've already cleaned out all the electronics stores in Austin of the NTE/ECG parts, I need to order some, and I figure it might as well be the real deal... Finally, I've got a wierd deflection board problem on one of the boards I'm trying to fix. I get a picture just fine, but it is much smaller (shrunk evenly along all 4 deflection axes) so that it is only about half its size, or less. THe picture is perfect, clear, etc, but just smaller. Now, this is definitely a deflection board problem, because it moves with the deflection board (I orignally thought it was a HV board problem -- high HV or something like that...) I've done the usualy stuff -- solder joints, etc, but I'm sort of at a loss. SInce it's affecting each axis equally, I thought it might be a power supply problem, but the G05 doesn't have a LV power-supply like the WG 6100, etc. There's just a bridge rectifier and a few caps. I guess it's time to start measuring voltages, but if anyone's seen this before, I'd appreciate the help.. Thanks, Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 11:27:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:27:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:25:58 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > I just finished my custom CP for the multi-game a few days ago. Using > the Tempest spinner & Clay's single player interface worked fine for > me. > I does seem a little more sensitive...but I'v never played these games > before. If you spin it real fast, you do get get a stalling effect, > like > you describe. > Trying to remember here... (Used to know this off the top of my head, but I seem to have forgotten.) I think that the Tempest spinner has about twice as many clocks per revolution as the Sega spinner. (And I think a TRON spinner has close to twice as many as Tempest...) You could use another 74ls74 to divide the input clocks to the 74ls393 on the spinner board if you wanted to slow it down. -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 11:34:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:34:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:32:53 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill Sorry, forgot to mention this before... I think that the "stall" effect is from the counter getting too many "counts" in between polls from the CPU (and overflowing). Since the polling is done in software it's possible that Star Trek/Tac Scan/Zektor will all behave slightly differently (they might also mask off top bits in the counter depending on what they need.) -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 12:06:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:06:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Go5 Transistors Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:05:17 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > Has anybody ever seen TIS98 transistors used in the deflection > amps of those? The manual says that that is the replacement > transistor, > but I've only ever seen TPS98 transistors on the actual board. > I found a bunch of TIS98 transistors, so I hope they will work. TIS98 > and > TPS98 cross to different NTE/ECG part numbers, so that's why I'm a > little > concerned... > Are these the same ones that are used around the spot killer on the WG6100 deflection board? I crossed those xxx98's to something else and had no luck getting the replacements to work. Odd. -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 12:11:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:11:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:12:16 GMT Message-ID: <34f71dd2.3322826@tommy.doctord.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:25:58 -0800, Clay Cowgill = wrote: >> I just finished my custom CP for the multi-game a few days ago. Using >> the Tempest spinner & Clay's single player interface worked fine for >> me. >> I does seem a little more sensitive...but I'v never played these games >> before. If you spin it real fast, you do get get a stalling effect, >> like >> you describe.=20 >>=20 >Trying to remember here... (Used to know this off the top of my head, >but I seem to have forgotten.) I'm pretty sure the Tempest controller has 72 teeth, whereas the Sega = controller has only 64. -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn @ zonn . com -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 12:24:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:24:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:23:25 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: Go5 Transistors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Clay Cowgill wrote: > Are these the same ones that are used around the spot killer on the > WG6100 deflection board? I crossed those xxx98's to something else and > had no luck getting the replacements to work. Odd. > I'm not sure about the spot killer circuit, but they're used in the deflection amps of the 6100 (I've only seen TPS98 transistors there, too) TPS98 crosses to NTE/ECG 194, which I've gotten to work. TIS98 crosses to something else.... I bought a bunch of TIS98s for .20 a piece, which is a lot better than $1 - $2 for the NTE parts. I wouldn't imagine that they'd put TIS98 in the manual as a replacement transistor if it didn't work, but then why did they use TPS98s? Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 13:35:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:34:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:33:08 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > I'm pretty sure the Tempest controller has 72 teeth, whereas the Sega > controller > has only 64. > That could well be right. I was thinking the Sega had 32 for some reason. I'm pretty sure that the Midway spinner (TRON) has 128. -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 13:57:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:57:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Paul Kahler Message-Id: <199802272200.RAA08035@saturn.acs.oakland.edu> Subject: Re: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder To: vectorlist@spies.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:00:11 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Clay Cowgill" at Feb 27, 98 11:32:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Paul Kahler Clay said: > I think that the "stall" effect is from the counter getting too many > "counts" in between polls from the CPU (and overflowing). Since the > polling is done in software it's possible that Star Trek/Tac Scan/Zektor > will all behave slightly differently (they might also mask off top bits > in the counter depending on what they need.) I can spin my Tempest spinner fast enough to cause that effect in Tempest. No way to do it with one that Buzzes though. Must spin way-fast. I found this out by playing the easy levels with the "one spin per level and hold the fire button" strategy - sometimes completed with a ZAP. -- ___ __ _ _ _ | \ / \ | | | || | phkahler@oakland.edu Engineer/Programmer | _/| || || |_| || |__ " What makes someone care so much? |_| |_||_| \___/ |____) for things another man can just ignore. " -S.H. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 13:58:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:58:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: "Ozdemir, Steve" To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:59:43 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: "Ozdemir, Steve" G'day folks, Did someone once say that the emitter/detector PCB for the Sega and Tempest were interchangeable? I know that the wheels and the software that process the signal are different, but what about just the hardware emitter/detector pair? Steven S Ozdemir sso@plpt.com ps - I think the emitter detector PCB for the Sega is physically larger....but I can compensate for that, I think. >---------- >From: Clay Cowgill[SMTP:ClayC@diamondmm.com] >Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 1:33 PM >To: 'vectorlist@spies.com' >Cc: Clay Cowgill >Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder > >> I'm pretty sure the Tempest controller has 72 teeth, whereas the Sega >> controller >> has only 64. >> >That could well be right. I was thinking the Sega had 32 for some >reason. I'm pretty sure that the Midway spinner (TRON) has 128. > >-Clay > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 14:04:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:04:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:05:14 GMT Message-ID: <34fb37c1.6420962@tommy.doctord.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: zonn@zonn.com (Zonn) On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:33:08 -0800, Clay Cowgill = wrote: >> I'm pretty sure the Tempest controller has 72 teeth, whereas the Sega >> controller >> has only 64. >>=20 >That could well be right. I was thinking the Sega had 32 for some >reason. I'm pretty sure that the Midway spinner (TRON) has 128. The 64 teeth for Sega I thought was well thought out since in quadrature = that gives 256 positions in one rotation, allowing one, in software, to use = absolute positions associated with absolute values. I have no idea where Atari got 72... -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn @ zonn . com -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 15:34:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:33:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@spies.com'" Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:32:42 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Clay Cowgill > The 64 teeth for Sega I thought was well thought out since in > quadrature that > gives 256 positions in one rotation, allowing one, in software, to use > absolute > positions associated with absolute values. > > I have no idea where Atari got 72... > In some of the development stuff Travis and I got from Atari there was a bunch of Tempest encoder disks with all sorts of different numbers of teeth cut into them. Dunno what they were for. Maybe they just tried different stuff to see what "felt" best. There was also a Tempest control panel (w/out overlay) that was setup for a trackball. Haven't a clue what that was for. Maybe a Quantum conversion kit for Tempest? -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Feb 27 19:56:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:56:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:55:41 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Anderson X-Sender: mayday19@u2.farm.idt.net To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder In-Reply-To: <9802271043.ZM27957@calcite> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: Jeff Anderson > > Interesting... Yet more ROM variations? > > I know there are at least 2 for the upright version. Someone sent me a copy at > one point, but I can't remember what I did with it. Never did try it out. I had a set of 2-player eliminator ROMs that was previously un-archived. I had Brian Johnson archive them and he sent a copy to mark a while ago.. If anybody wants them just drop me or Brian Johnson a line.. while on the Eliminator subject... Anybody have a control panel for the 2-player UR? Jeff From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Sat Feb 28 23:42:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:42:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34F7D8E4.100B5FB3@istar.ca> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:29:08 +0000 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@spies.com Subject: Re: Board tester board... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@spies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist@spies.com CC: John Robertson Clay Cowgill wrote: > > So a while back I brought up the idea to make a "universal" test board > for working on game PCB's. > > The idea was to make something that would plug into a game board > directly (56 pin, 44 pin, or 36 pin) and provide a simple connection to > a PC power supply; provide lots of test points for jumpering; have a > small onboard audio amp; provide "standard" connectors for > control/video/audio connections; lots of taps for +5, +-12, etc. > > We kicked around other ideas like adding color inversion for > Nintendo-type audio outputs, sync combination (select > positive/negative/composite), and stuff like level convertors for > different types of vector games. > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > +------------------+ > | | <-- card edge adapter > ------------------ > | | > | | > | | <-- test connector board > | | > | PWR RGB CONT AUD | > +------------------+ > > A = 56, 44, or 36 pin .156" connector > PWR = .156" power connector post to match PC-AT power supply > RGB = DB-9 pin connector > CONT = DB-25 pin connector (two joysticks, six buttons, p1/p2 start, > coins, etc) > AUD = onboard speaker and amp, headphone jack output for amplified > "computer" type speakers. > > So you just plug it into the cardedge of a board and use little > alligator-clip jumpers to connect your voltages, controls, and signals > where needed. It's not exactly an "innovation" or anything, I just > think it'd be a much nicer (for me anyway) way of testing "unknown" > boards. > > The thing I can't decide is how to do the test points. I want to have > at least 3 or 4 points on each trace coming off the connector so that > you have plenty of posts to connect aligator clips to when testing. Do > you think that standard .1" header posts are good enough? Maybe on .2" > spacing? (So I'm thinking of getting 8 pin DIP headers, removing every > other pin to make room for clips, and putting one of those on each trace > from the edge connector.) Heavier "posts" (like Atari's test points) > are comparitively spendy and take up a lot of PCB space. > > If anyone of you have input I'd like to hear it... > > -Clay hi, Clay! We made a simple card edge connector for our modified Atari test fixture that consisted of a card (duh) with alligator clips soldered on, and the other side was just the edge connector plugs with the legs alternatly bent up/down to enable the clips to fit without shorting together. Works fine for testing... John :-#)#